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Could not agree more, the only downside is that some companies see you as a job hopper, but you can just explain to them that losing 30K-40K/year (aka staying i

Could not agree more, the only downside is that some companies see you as a job hopper, but you can just explain to them that losing 30K-40K/year (aka staying in your job) is not an option

SEJeff 11y ago
I've worked at companies at a minimum of 2 years or more and have switched between 5 companies. Would that be considered job hopping? If I was a hiring manager, seems totally reasonable to me.
- byoung2 11y ago
  I have been at 6 companies in 10 years and have not had a problem explaining it. In tech, 1 year per company is reasonable as a minimum.
  - istvan__ 11y ago
    Same here, I had to explain to a HR manager once, but I told them if they don't get it they are not looking for me. :)
  - ghaff 11y ago
    Maybe at Silicon Valley startups but it will raise flags in many places. That may be fine based on your interests however.
rifung 11y ago
Is 30k-40k really correct? That seems a bit high to me.. If you could make even 30k more a year from switching jobs, and you started at the standard 100k, after 10 years you would be making 400k. I haven't heard of any developers who make 400k. Then again, I suppose you never said this was for developers, so is there another job where this actually applies?
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- nazgul 11y ago
  There's only been one documented (via a lawsuit) in the 400K range, although that was a few years ago: http://adtmag.com/articles/2011/05/27/what-highest-paid-programmers-earn.aspx http://adtmag.com/articles/2011/05/27/what-highest-paid-prog...
- istvan__ 11y ago
  I was following this pattern: test engineer, administrator, junior developer, developer, senior developer, principal developer, architect, principal architect. My last 2 job changes were in the 20 - 40K increase range. 250K is not unheard of. I guess this caps out somewhere, but if the US immigration keeps H1Bs under this control than we are going to soon experiencing 300K wages.
  - rifung 11y ago
    Ah okay I think when you said job change I just assumed it meant going to another company, not having a new position or title. I do wonder how quickly you can change positions though. I imagine once you get to senior it's very difficult keep going higher. At least this was what I heard at Amazon. Do you know if it's easier to get promoted when switching jobs? I have a hard time believing that since I think you would have had to accomplish something significant on several projects to get to principal, but if you switch companies it's very hard for them to truly the impact of what you did.
    - loopbit 11y ago
      I think you are overestimating companies... For most of my career (12 companies, 3 of them my own) it has been easier to get hired at a higher position in a different place than being promoted internally. When you are applying for a new, higher, role having enough experience at your current level, being sure enough of yourself and demonstrating the ability to create value within the test period will be more than enough for most companies out there. When trying to get promoted internally you have to deal mostly with office politics. In a way, the quality of your work is only a small part. And, if you are good enough, it can go against you, I know people that have been skipped for promotions for years because their managers knew that the whole department depended on them. Of course, there are exceptions and I admire those companies, but they are just that: Exceptions.
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s73v3r 11y ago
Then they'll simply complain that you're only "motivated by money" and that you "don't really want to be part of this team". This is, of course, ignoring the fact that everyone is motivated by money, and almost none of their employees would still be working there if they stopped paying.

Could not agree more, the only downside is that some companies see you as a job hopper, but you can just explain to them that losing 30K-40K/year (aka staying in your job) is not an option

SEJeff 11y ago

I've worked at companies at a minimum of 2 years or more and have switched between 5 companies. Would that be considered job hopping? If I was a hiring manager, seems totally reasonable to me.

byoung2 11y ago
I have been at 6 companies in 10 years and have not had a problem explaining it. In tech, 1 year per company is reasonable as a minimum.
- istvan__ 11y ago
  Same here, I had to explain to a HR manager once, but I told them if they don't get it they are not looking for me. :)
- ghaff 11y ago
  Maybe at Silicon Valley startups but it will raise flags in many places. That may be fine based on your interests however.

rifung 11y ago

Is 30k-40k really correct? That seems a bit high to me.. If you could make even 30k more a year from switching jobs, and you started at the standard 100k, after 10 years you would be making 400k. I haven't heard of any developers who make 400k. Then again, I suppose you never said this was for developers, so is there another job where this actually applies?

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nazgul 11y ago
There's only been one documented (via a lawsuit) in the 400K range, although that was a few years ago: http://adtmag.com/articles/2011/05/27/what-highest-paid-programmers-earn.aspx http://adtmag.com/articles/2011/05/27/what-highest-paid-prog...
istvan__ 11y ago
I was following this pattern: test engineer, administrator, junior developer, developer, senior developer, principal developer, architect, principal architect. My last 2 job changes were in the 20 - 40K increase range. 250K is not unheard of. I guess this caps out somewhere, but if the US immigration keeps H1Bs under this control than we are going to soon experiencing 300K wages.
- rifung 11y ago
  Ah okay I think when you said job change I just assumed it meant going to another company, not having a new position or title. I do wonder how quickly you can change positions though. I imagine once you get to senior it's very difficult keep going higher. At least this was what I heard at Amazon. Do you know if it's easier to get promoted when switching jobs? I have a hard time believing that since I think you would have had to accomplish something significant on several projects to get to principal, but if you switch companies it's very hard for them to truly the impact of what you did.
  - loopbit 11y ago
    I think you are overestimating companies... For most of my career (12 companies, 3 of them my own) it has been easier to get hired at a higher position in a different place than being promoted internally. When you are applying for a new, higher, role having enough experience at your current level, being sure enough of yourself and demonstrating the ability to create value within the test period will be more than enough for most companies out there. When trying to get promoted internally you have to deal mostly with office politics. In a way, the quality of your work is only a small part. And, if you are good enough, it can go against you, I know people that have been skipped for promotions for years because their managers knew that the whole department depended on them. Of course, there are exceptions and I admire those companies, but they are just that: Exceptions.

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s73v3r 11y ago

Then they'll simply complain that you're only "motivated by money" and that you "don't really want to be part of this team". This is, of course, ignoring the fact that everyone is motivated by money, and almost none of their employees would still be working there if they stopped paying.