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@luckydude If anyone ever says, “I like what you are doing, I want to help”, they are probably just blowing smoke up your ass. We're workers. We want to get pa

@luckydude If anyone ever says, “I like what you are doing, I want to help”, they are probably just blowing smoke up your ass. We're workers. We want to get paid in return for labor. It's not like choosing which non-profit you want to sit on the board of.

luckydude 11y ago
You are someone I'd have trouble hiring. For the record, I pay better than google, apple, facebook, netflix for top talent. I hire people who want to help. And I'm super happy with the set of people I've hired. I didn't use to pay that well because there wasn't enough money. They stuck with me and the money thing got better. The idea that you are just a worker makes me sad. If you are that, OK, but I bet you are more than that. Very few people in tech are that sucky, most of us can make a difference. Make that difference and demand the pay that your difference made.
- jonsterling 11y ago
  I make a huge difference wherever I have worked; you may ask any of my employers. However, my interest and my soul are my own; they do not belong to my employer. I do not even rent them to my employer. But honestly, I couldn't imagine having so few interesting thoughts of my own that I would actually willingly let myself be filled up with enthusiasm for some ephemeral product, or some ephemeral business, or even worse a "vision" or a "mission". I've got better things to think about at night. Also, re "just a worker", I am happier to be called a "worker" than any other of the made-up terms which Capital has come up with in order to divide the working class. It at least puts me in the right bucket as far as the class struggle is concerned. BTW, don't be too broken up about me not being a suitable hiring prospect for you. I'm going to leave the hell-hole that is tech as soon as the school debts are paid, and then go do something worthwhile.
nostrademons 11y ago
FWIW, there are many times I've joined a company because I liked what they are doing and wanted to help. It's actually at the top or near the top of my list of why I'd work at a company. Money's only so useful once you've made a bunch of it; at some point, doing meaningful work becomes more important. But I'd also want any potential employer to respect my right to gather information and make an informed decision. That's where I think Zenefits went wrong here. Too bad; from everything I've heard, they're an excellent company.

luckydude 11y ago

You are someone I'd have trouble hiring. For the record, I pay better than google, apple, facebook, netflix for top talent. I hire people who want to help. And I'm super happy with the set of people I've hired. I didn't use to pay that well because there wasn't enough money. They stuck with me and the money thing got better. The idea that you are just a worker makes me sad. If you are that, OK, but I bet you are more than that. Very few people in tech are that sucky, most of us can make a difference. Make that difference and demand the pay that your difference made.

jonsterling 11y ago
I make a huge difference wherever I have worked; you may ask any of my employers. However, my interest and my soul are my own; they do not belong to my employer. I do not even rent them to my employer. But honestly, I couldn't imagine having so few interesting thoughts of my own that I would actually willingly let myself be filled up with enthusiasm for some ephemeral product, or some ephemeral business, or even worse a "vision" or a "mission". I've got better things to think about at night. Also, re "just a worker", I am happier to be called a "worker" than any other of the made-up terms which Capital has come up with in order to divide the working class. It at least puts me in the right bucket as far as the class struggle is concerned. BTW, don't be too broken up about me not being a suitable hiring prospect for you. I'm going to leave the hell-hole that is tech as soon as the school debts are paid, and then go do something worthwhile.

nostrademons 11y ago

FWIW, there are many times I've joined a company because I liked what they are doing and wanted to help. It's actually at the top or near the top of my list of why I'd work at a company. Money's only so useful once you've made a bunch of it; at some point, doing meaningful work becomes more important. But I'd also want any potential employer to respect my right to gather information and make an informed decision. That's where I think Zenefits went wrong here. Too bad; from everything I've heard, they're an excellent company.