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The problem isn't your resume, it's people who don't create good resumes but who are otherwise very skilled. I believe yours! I just don't believe resumes on ag

by mrkurt 12y ago

The problem isn't your resume, it's people who don't create good resumes but who are otherwise very skilled. I believe yours! I just don't believe resumes on aggregate are a good screening mechanism for most jobs. They also communicate lots of incidental information that can be false-bias flags.

seiji 12y ago
> They also communicate lots of incidental information that can be false-bias flags. That's the entire point in most cases. Don't want to hire a nerd when you need a bro. Also: relevance! If you're hiring for a Linux-heavy job but the applicant has 20 years of Windows NT experience and they want a Senior Staff Linux Development role, you can either throw their resume away or talk them down to (an insulting) junior position. In another context, say you're Google. You have 80,000 in-bound interested people wanting to interview with you per year. How, without up front resumes or other relevant information, do you deal? You can't talk to all of them.
- mrkurt 12y ago
  I'm relatively sure Google doesn't look at resumes for initial screening. They do work samples: http://www.wired.com/2015/04/hire-like-google/ http://www.wired.com/2015/04/hire-like-google/
  - hkmurakami 12y ago
    Of course they do. It's called the HR resume screen.
    - MichaelCrawford 12y ago
      I submitted many resumes to google but met with no response. However I've interviewed six times now; each time, they found me by searching, uh, Google. That is, their HR people found my website on the web. They didn't find my cover letter and resume in their own applicant tracking system. That's not the case everywhere; I was hired at Apple in the mid-nineties by applying directly to the company, then sometime later my manager-to-be dug up my resume in their system. But as far as I am able to tell, resumes submitted to google wind up in the bit bucket. Google's initial phone screen always consist of just a few very basic computer science questions. Quite commonly phone screens with other companies consist of "How many years of java experience do you have? How many years of linux experience do you have? How many years of apache experience do you have?" Oddly, there is never any concern for what one accomplished - nor failed to accomplish - during those years of experience.
      - hkmurakami 11y ago
        I once got a call back from Google after submitting a resume... 2 years later... from the Tokyo office. I echo your sentiments that I have no idea what goes on in and around their resume system.

by mrkurt 12y ago

seiji 12y ago

> They also communicate lots of incidental information that can be false-bias flags. That's the entire point in most cases. Don't want to hire a nerd when you need a bro. Also: relevance! If you're hiring for a Linux-heavy job but the applicant has 20 years of Windows NT experience and they want a Senior Staff Linux Development role, you can either throw their resume away or talk them down to (an insulting) junior position. In another context, say you're Google. You have 80,000 in-bound interested people wanting to interview with you per year. How, without up front resumes or other relevant information, do you deal? You can't talk to all of them.

mrkurt 12y ago
I'm relatively sure Google doesn't look at resumes for initial screening. They do work samples: http://www.wired.com/2015/04/hire-like-google/ http://www.wired.com/2015/04/hire-like-google/
- hkmurakami 12y ago
  Of course they do. It's called the HR resume screen.
  - MichaelCrawford 12y ago
    I submitted many resumes to google but met with no response. However I've interviewed six times now; each time, they found me by searching, uh, Google. That is, their HR people found my website on the web. They didn't find my cover letter and resume in their own applicant tracking system. That's not the case everywhere; I was hired at Apple in the mid-nineties by applying directly to the company, then sometime later my manager-to-be dug up my resume in their system. But as far as I am able to tell, resumes submitted to google wind up in the bit bucket. Google's initial phone screen always consist of just a few very basic computer science questions. Quite commonly phone screens with other companies consist of "How many years of java experience do you have? How many years of linux experience do you have? How many years of apache experience do you have?" Oddly, there is never any concern for what one accomplished - nor failed to accomplish - during those years of experience.
    - hkmurakami 11y ago
      I once got a call back from Google after submitting a resume... 2 years later... from the Tokyo office. I echo your sentiments that I have no idea what goes on in and around their resume system.