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In high school, I thought that the CodeWarrior IDE (which was, as far as I knew, the dominant development environment) was absolutely terrible. I'm not sure how

In high school, I thought that the CodeWarrior IDE (which was, as far as I knew, the dominant development environment) was absolutely terrible. I'm not sure how good my judgment at that time was. That said, with OS X they really became a lot more developer friendly just because they adopted a UNIX base. At this point, I'd say they're the default platform for ruby/web development. Look at all the rails job postings for small startups promising 30" Mac Pros, etc.

YuriNiyazov 17y ago
The relevant times under discussion are: the era of the Apple II which came with built-in Basic, and the era of post-OSX but pre-iPhone
- rbanffy 17y ago
  The Apple II... A computer you could turn on and start programming in 3 seconds... When will we be able to do that again ;-) ?
samlittlewood 17y ago
Unfortunately, CodeWarrior was still way better than MPW (Macintosh Programmer's Workshop) - that was pure pain.
steveklabnik 17y ago
Oh man, I had so many CodeWarrior shirts... "Blood, sweat, and code," "X Rated" for their OSX version... I'm pretty sure that it was dominant at the time. I remember reading a lot of examples that used it.
hristov 17y ago
Yeah, I have terrible experiences with codewarrior as well. I had one programming class in the late 90s that required macs and boy did that make me hate macs with a passion. But I dont think it was purely a codewarrior issue. The overall apple OS at that time was simply terrible and 10 years behind windows (i wont even count how far behind unix they were) -- they still could not get multitasking to work right. Which meant that any pointer error causes your computer to hang. And when you are coding for a data structures class in C all of your errors are pointer errors. So I am sure a lot of developers abandoned the mac platform around those times, but maybe many of them are coming back now.

YuriNiyazov 17y ago

The relevant times under discussion are: the era of the Apple II which came with built-in Basic, and the era of post-OSX but pre-iPhone

rbanffy 17y ago
The Apple II... A computer you could turn on and start programming in 3 seconds... When will we be able to do that again ;-) ?

samlittlewood 17y ago

Unfortunately, CodeWarrior was still way better than MPW (Macintosh Programmer's Workshop) - that was pure pain.

steveklabnik 17y ago

Oh man, I had so many CodeWarrior shirts... "Blood, sweat, and code," "X Rated" for their OSX version... I'm pretty sure that it was dominant at the time. I remember reading a lot of examples that used it.

hristov 17y ago

Yeah, I have terrible experiences with codewarrior as well. I had one programming class in the late 90s that required macs and boy did that make me hate macs with a passion. But I dont think it was purely a codewarrior issue. The overall apple OS at that time was simply terrible and 10 years behind windows (i wont even count how far behind unix they were) -- they still could not get multitasking to work right. Which meant that any pointer error causes your computer to hang. And when you are coding for a data structures class in C all of your errors are pointer errors. So I am sure a lot of developers abandoned the mac platform around those times, but maybe many of them are coming back now.