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Presumably lotsofmangos is making a reference to the Nazi salute.

by mryan 11y ago

lotsofmangos 11y ago
It was admittedly the first thing that came to mind from a sentence about Nuremberg and handwaving.
madez 11y ago
Ah, I see. Well, it wasn't meant like this. It was meant as a pejorative label for him stating there are millions of better examples for this context without providing one valid example.
- lotsofmangos 11y ago
  I provided a valid example. It was admittedly a bit of a rubbish example, but then it was intended to be. But nevertheless, a story about a two year old learning about agency, as in, concepts of personal choice and consequence of action, is an example much better suited to the context of whether lawyers should send out strongly worded cease and desist letters when their clients tell them to, than relying on the court response to the Nuremburg defense in the face of genocide.
  - madez 11y ago
    I provided a valid example. No, you did not. I asked for "a better example where personal responsibility was officially upheld". Your example was explaining a child agency, which _does not_ include officially upholding personal responsibility. Furthermore, I did not draw any comparison between the Nuremberg Trials and the case in question, but used them only to substantiate my argument for personal responsibility. Reread what I wrote if you are doubting. Don't assume everybody does cheap puns and invalidly makes up connections between what was said. If I mean it, I say so.
    - lotsofmangos 11y ago
      I asked for "a better example where personal responsibility was officially upheld". Add an adult to the story then. Hell, add a teacher, knock yourself out. For making the point of not merely doing as instructed though and having personal responsibility, this need for official confirmation in the metaphor seems awfully weird. Don't assume everybody does cheap puns and invalidly makes up connections I didn't, I said I thought you were probably being unintentionally funny.
      - madez 11y ago
        Add an adult to the story then. Hell, add a teacher, knock yourself out. I don't know a better example. If I had one, I wouldn't have asked. In my experience people defend themselves by saying they were told to do it or that there are laws forcing them. For making the point of not merely doing as instructed though and having personal responsibility, this need for official confirmation in the metaphor seems awfully weird. There are lot of things we might think that should be, but many are not officially recognized. Having my point officially recognized is essential for its substance. It is not a metaphor. However, I think we were just misunderstanding each other. My question was serious and genuine.

Presumably lotsofmangos is making a reference to the Nazi salute.

by mryan 11y ago

Presumably lotsofmangos is making a reference to the Nazi salute.

lotsofmangos 11y ago

It was admittedly the first thing that came to mind from a sentence about Nuremberg and handwaving.

madez 11y ago

Ah, I see. Well, it wasn't meant like this. It was meant as a pejorative label for him stating there are millions of better examples for this context without providing one valid example.

lotsofmangos 11y ago
I provided a valid example. It was admittedly a bit of a rubbish example, but then it was intended to be. But nevertheless, a story about a two year old learning about agency, as in, concepts of personal choice and consequence of action, is an example much better suited to the context of whether lawyers should send out strongly worded cease and desist letters when their clients tell them to, than relying on the court response to the Nuremburg defense in the face of genocide.
- madez 11y ago
  I provided a valid example. No, you did not. I asked for "a better example where personal responsibility was officially upheld". Your example was explaining a child agency, which _does not_ include officially upholding personal responsibility. Furthermore, I did not draw any comparison between the Nuremberg Trials and the case in question, but used them only to substantiate my argument for personal responsibility. Reread what I wrote if you are doubting. Don't assume everybody does cheap puns and invalidly makes up connections between what was said. If I mean it, I say so.
  - lotsofmangos 11y ago
    I asked for "a better example where personal responsibility was officially upheld". Add an adult to the story then. Hell, add a teacher, knock yourself out. For making the point of not merely doing as instructed though and having personal responsibility, this need for official confirmation in the metaphor seems awfully weird. Don't assume everybody does cheap puns and invalidly makes up connections I didn't, I said I thought you were probably being unintentionally funny.
    - madez 11y ago
      Add an adult to the story then. Hell, add a teacher, knock yourself out. I don't know a better example. If I had one, I wouldn't have asked. In my experience people defend themselves by saying they were told to do it or that there are laws forcing them. For making the point of not merely doing as instructed though and having personal responsibility, this need for official confirmation in the metaphor seems awfully weird. There are lot of things we might think that should be, but many are not officially recognized. Having my point officially recognized is essential for its substance. It is not a metaphor. However, I think we were just misunderstanding each other. My question was serious and genuine.