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I would push back on that view and say other people are absolutely at fault here. if thats not something we can't or won't own up to as a society, then we will
by anthonymartinez 11y ago
I would push back on that view and say other people are absolutely at fault here. if thats not something we can't or won't own up to as a society, then we will have to continue to live with the consequences of stereotyping which, good and bad, harm us all in many subtle and not-so-subtle ways. difficult, but necessary.
- fixxer 11y agoAre generalizations really not allowed? Do we have to handicap our brains? I actually worked for the progressives and saw campaign analytics first-hand. It was one of the most racist things I've seen. And it works.
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- fixxer 11y agoWell, ideally you can observe behavior for a large group of people and tie that back to observable characteristics (i.e. "black", "poor", "urban"). Then you can project characteristics from a new population onto unobservable behaviors (i.e. support a candidate). Pretty simple. Pretty effective. EDIT: I've actually seen "race-from-name" models. Jamaal would totally be black. Despite a lone white Jamaal, I'd still use that model.
- numeromancer 11y agoOk, quick: see me as an individual. You have 5 seconds. Note: Don't draw any conclusions about me that are based only on what little you know about me. You cannot, eg, draw conclusions upon that fact that I have an account on Hacker News. You must see me as an individual.
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- fixxer 11y agoI suggest not pursuing "data science" as a career.
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- JoeAltmaier 11y agoE.g. the average person has one testicle and one ovary.
- numeromancer 11y agoBetter stay on the backroads when you drive. And don't try crossing the street without help from a grown-up.
- TeMPOraL 11y agoBecause brains don't have enough processing power not to generalize. You wouldn't be able to leave your house if you didn't use heuristics for inference all the time.
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- icebraining 11y agoDo you ask every single person you meet if they speak the local language? That must get tiring. Or do you generalize and assume that people in a certain country by and large speak that country's language?
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- icebraining 11y agoI think you're conflating generalizing with discriminating. If you speak a certain English based on a guess informed by unrelated characteristics, you are generalizing. You created a group in your mind of people who have certain characteristics and speak a certain English, and put the person there.
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- gambiting 11y agoOk. So why is it legal for insurance companies to increase price for young drivers, but not for men* (*at least in some countries)? Both groups cause more accidents than average,but it's legal to "stereotype" against one group but not the other? To anyone shouting that it's not "stereotyping" but true statistic, then I would reply that it's also true that Jamaal is mostly used by black men, therefore the probability of someone with that name being black is very high, and not a stereotype, but merely an observation.
- mc32 11y agoIt's asking much to not generalize, generally. Like, are you going to ask why you go on green and stop on red every time you come to a light? Not all red lights mean stop. I think we can artificially not think of ethnicity when hearing names, but simultaneously realize people can choose non ethnic names or ethnic, not withstanding new immigrants. And, it's not clear that when people do internalize ethnicity and name associations that it results in negative outcomes. There was a recent study which contradicted previous studies when they controlled for other factors. In any event, people make all kinds of assumptions and are often wrong, but we don't call them out because we have not become 'conscious' of them, till someone points them out.