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Do you have a better example where personal responsibility was officialy upheld?

by madez 12y ago

lotsofmangos 12y ago
A story about a two year old learning about agency would be a better example, there are millions of better examples for this context. The most extreme example of a thing you can find is not usually the ideal example to use for most contexts. Rather than clarifying things, if it dwarfs the context, it then appears automatically ridiculous even if the basic argument is sound.
- madez 12y ago
  > A story about a two year old learning about agency would be a better example, This is not an example for official upholding of personal responsibility. > there are millions of better examples for this context. This is hand-waving. I used the Nuremberg trials specifically to not hand-wave.
  - lotsofmangos 12y ago
    "This is hand-waving. I used the Nuremberg trials specifically to not hand-wave." Now that is funny, though I suspect unintentionally, and in horrifically bad taste either way.
    - madez 12y ago
      I think here is some kind of misunderstanding. I did not intend to be funny nor do I see why it was bad taste. My question for a better example was genuine.
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      - mryan 12y ago
        Presumably lotsofmangos is making a reference to the Nazi salute.
        lotsofmangos 12y ago
        It was admittedly the first thing that came to mind from a sentence about Nuremberg and handwaving.
        madez 12y ago
        Ah, I see. Well, it wasn't meant like this. It was meant as a pejorative label for him stating there are millions of better examples for this context without providing one valid example.
        lotsofmangos 12y ago
        I provided a valid example. It was admittedly a bit of a rubbish example, but then it was intended to be. But nevertheless, a story about a two year old learning about agency, as in, concepts of personal choice and consequence of action, is an example much better suited to the context of whether lawyers should send out strongly worded cease and desist letters when their clients tell them to, than relying on the court response to the Nuremburg defense in the face of genocide.
        madez 12y ago
        I provided a valid example. No, you did not. I asked for "a better example where personal responsibility was officially upheld". Your example was explaining a child agency, which _does not_ include officially upholding personal responsibility. Furthermore, I did not draw any comparison between the Nuremberg Trials and the case in question, but used them only to substantiate my argument for personal responsibility. Reread what I wrote if you are doubting. Don't assume everybody does cheap puns and invalidly makes up connections between what was said. If I mean it, I say so.
        lotsofmangos 12y ago

Do you have a better example where personal responsibility was officialy upheld?

by madez 12y ago

Do you have a better example where personal responsibility was officialy upheld?

A story about a two year old learning about agency would be a better example, there are millions of better examples for this context. The most extreme example of a thing you can find is not usually the ideal example to use for most contexts. Rather than clarifying things, if it dwarfs the context, it then appears automatically ridiculous even if the basic argument is sound.

madez 12y ago
> A story about a two year old learning about agency would be a better example, This is not an example for official upholding of personal responsibility. > there are millions of better examples for this context. This is hand-waving. I used the Nuremberg trials specifically to not hand-wave.
- lotsofmangos 12y ago
  "This is hand-waving. I used the Nuremberg trials specifically to not hand-wave." Now that is funny, though I suspect unintentionally, and in horrifically bad taste either way.
  - madez 12y ago
    I think here is some kind of misunderstanding. I did not intend to be funny nor do I see why it was bad taste. My question for a better example was genuine.
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    - mryan 12y ago
      Presumably lotsofmangos is making a reference to the Nazi salute.
      - lotsofmangos 12y ago
        It was admittedly the first thing that came to mind from a sentence about Nuremberg and handwaving.
      - madez 12y ago
        Ah, I see. Well, it wasn't meant like this. It was meant as a pejorative label for him stating there are millions of better examples for this context without providing one valid example.
        lotsofmangos 12y ago
        I provided a valid example. It was admittedly a bit of a rubbish example, but then it was intended to be. But nevertheless, a story about a two year old learning about agency, as in, concepts of personal choice and consequence of action, is an example much better suited to the context of whether lawyers should send out strongly worded cease and desist letters when their clients tell them to, than relying on the court response to the Nuremburg defense in the face of genocide.
        madez 12y ago
        I provided a valid example. No, you did not. I asked for "a better example where personal responsibility was officially upheld". Your example was explaining a child agency, which _does not_ include officially upholding personal responsibility. Furthermore, I did not draw any comparison between the Nuremberg Trials and the case in question, but used them only to substantiate my argument for personal responsibility. Reread what I wrote if you are doubting. Don't assume everybody does cheap puns and invalidly makes up connections between what was said. If I mean it, I say so.
        lotsofmangos 12y ago