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A serious question from someone who is in and out of studios weekly and who works almost daily in Ableton and weekly in Pro Tools and Logic (doing production as

A serious question from someone who is in and out of studios weekly and who works almost daily in Ableton and weekly in Pro Tools and Logic (doing production as well as post stuff). Does anybody use something like this to make music for any professional/commercial use or is it really just of academic interest and for tinkerers (no offense - there is value there to I know). I ask because when I look at this (and I'm also an EE and a software developer) I get a headache.

degenerate 11y ago
I'd be interested in what you think of AudioGL: https://www.audiogl.com/en/audiogl https://www.audiogl.com/en/audiogl The project is pretty much on hold since 2013 because the sole developer disappeared in June 2014... but the site and forums remain hosted, waiting for his return. The product looked so promising in its early 2012/2013 days but now lays dormant.
anateus 11y ago
It looks not dissimilar from other modular editor such as AudioMulch or Buzz. I think the highest profile musician that uses AudioMulch extensively is Girl Talk, but I'm sure others have as well. Just like modular synthesizers are the purview of the... more obsessed sort, modular editors occupy a similar more specialized niche. Edit: not dissimilar, but still different in a bunch of ways. Seems more like an attempt to marry the more common DAW audio-clip style with the modular synth environment (just based on screenshots).
smosher_ 11y ago
Yes. Maybe. I don't know what you're latching on to, but I know both Jeskola Buzz¹ and Renoise² (which has some connection to the Buzz community) have been used commercially. These cover the tracker style + extra learning curve + crazy piles of features + weird UI, which should cover most of the bases. This is not so much stranger in absolute terms than the modular synths people build (and probably a bit less obsessive.) I haven't used it, but imo if you're getting a headache that's a bad sign regardless of what it looks like. You should do most of the looking with your ears and not have to use your eyes too much. That's what I used to love about trackers, but I haven't used one seriously since Impulse Tracker. ¹https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeskola_Buzz#Notable_users https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeskola_Buzz#Notable_users ²http://www.renoise.com/artists http://www.renoise.com/artists
dvirsky 11y ago
I wonder if you've ever tried Ardour and what's your take on it as recording pro? Personally I think it's wonderful. I haven't used ProTool and Nuendo etc for years (I produced a couple of albums about 15 years ago, but haven't done much professionally since), but it seems very nice and produces great results IMO.
- brusch64 11y ago
  I am a big advocate of Ardour. But I really hope they get their act together and stop adding new features, but start making the release more stable. The last really stable and great version for me was the last of the 2.x releases. They improved the looks but there was always something that didn't work quite right. IN the 3.x series Midi was introduced, but it crashed all the time (and I've updated every time there was a new release). Now I am using 4.x and it is dog slow for big sessions (which I originally recorded and mixed in 2.x on a much lesser PC with no problems). I do understand their arguments. I know that they want to release something for Windows, Mac and Linux to improve their customer base (greatly). But I really hope that Ardour solidifies and they start improving the quality that it comes back to the quality of the 2.x releases.
  - dvirsky 11y ago
    I used 3.5 about a year ago for a few months, and it was pretty stable once I got my Jack setup stable. It seemed like most problems were with iffy drivers and plugins. Installing everything from Ubuntu Studio's apt repos seemed to produce pretty stable setup and it was also pretty fast (I used a VERY strong machine thuogh). Haven't tried 4.0 yet.
    - brusch64 11y ago
      I didn't had any problems with Jack or plugins - the problem with 3.x was Midi editing. Well it was introduced in this release, but I did some drum programming (our drummer was sick, so we've programmed drums to our music) and it sucked. It was totally normal that Ardour crashed at least twice in the 1 or 2 hours when we were editing drums. And the devs knew that this problem existed, but they've basically told, that it should be fixed in 4.x.

degenerate 11y ago

I'd be interested in what you think of AudioGL: https://www.audiogl.com/en/audiogl https://www.audiogl.com/en/audiogl The project is pretty much on hold since 2013 because the sole developer disappeared in June 2014... but the site and forums remain hosted, waiting for his return. The product looked so promising in its early 2012/2013 days but now lays dormant.

anateus 11y ago

It looks not dissimilar from other modular editor such as AudioMulch or Buzz. I think the highest profile musician that uses AudioMulch extensively is Girl Talk, but I'm sure others have as well. Just like modular synthesizers are the purview of the... more obsessed sort, modular editors occupy a similar more specialized niche. Edit: not dissimilar, but still different in a bunch of ways. Seems more like an attempt to marry the more common DAW audio-clip style with the modular synth environment (just based on screenshots).

smosher_ 11y ago

Yes. Maybe. I don't know what you're latching on to, but I know both Jeskola Buzz¹ and Renoise² (which has some connection to the Buzz community) have been used commercially. These cover the tracker style + extra learning curve + crazy piles of features + weird UI, which should cover most of the bases. This is not so much stranger in absolute terms than the modular synths people build (and probably a bit less obsessive.) I haven't used it, but imo if you're getting a headache that's a bad sign regardless of what it looks like. You should do most of the looking with your ears and not have to use your eyes too much. That's what I used to love about trackers, but I haven't used one seriously since Impulse Tracker. ¹https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeskola_Buzz#Notable_users https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeskola_Buzz#Notable_users ²http://www.renoise.com/artists http://www.renoise.com/artists

dvirsky 11y ago

I wonder if you've ever tried Ardour and what's your take on it as recording pro? Personally I think it's wonderful. I haven't used ProTool and Nuendo etc for years (I produced a couple of albums about 15 years ago, but haven't done much professionally since), but it seems very nice and produces great results IMO.

brusch64 11y ago
I am a big advocate of Ardour. But I really hope they get their act together and stop adding new features, but start making the release more stable. The last really stable and great version for me was the last of the 2.x releases. They improved the looks but there was always something that didn't work quite right. IN the 3.x series Midi was introduced, but it crashed all the time (and I've updated every time there was a new release). Now I am using 4.x and it is dog slow for big sessions (which I originally recorded and mixed in 2.x on a much lesser PC with no problems). I do understand their arguments. I know that they want to release something for Windows, Mac and Linux to improve their customer base (greatly). But I really hope that Ardour solidifies and they start improving the quality that it comes back to the quality of the 2.x releases.
- dvirsky 11y ago
  I used 3.5 about a year ago for a few months, and it was pretty stable once I got my Jack setup stable. It seemed like most problems were with iffy drivers and plugins. Installing everything from Ubuntu Studio's apt repos seemed to produce pretty stable setup and it was also pretty fast (I used a VERY strong machine thuogh). Haven't tried 4.0 yet.
  - brusch64 11y ago
    I didn't had any problems with Jack or plugins - the problem with 3.x was Midi editing. Well it was introduced in this release, but I did some drum programming (our drummer was sick, so we've programmed drums to our music) and it sucked. It was totally normal that Ardour crashed at least twice in the 1 or 2 hours when we were editing drums. And the devs knew that this problem existed, but they've basically told, that it should be fixed in 4.x.