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I plan to use VPN in area that are NOT friendly with the OTAN, such as Russia. I'd rather have Putin spy on me, than my own governement, or its allies. He has

by malka 11y ago

I plan to use VPN in area that are NOT friendly with the OTAN, such as Russia. I'd rather have Putin spy on me, than my own governement, or its allies. He has far less influence over my life, and I doubt that french and russian intelligence are cooperating.

lloeki 11y ago
> I doubt that french and russian intelligence are cooperating I wouldn't be so sure, as France and Russia have a long, special history of diplomatic ties, dating as far back as when both were among the most influential countries of the Old World.
- aikah 11y ago
  That's hardly the case anymore. Hollande clearly made the choice of being an atlantist. Whatever was left of the Russian/French cooperation it's gone.
  - lttlrck 11y ago
    such relationships extend and survive far beyond the short term of any sitting President or Prime Minister.
    - aikah 11y ago
      I don't think so, especially when they are that damaged.
drzaiusapelord 11y ago
>and I doubt that french and russian intelligence are cooperating. You guys build warships for Putin's war machine which is murdering civilians in Ukraine, something the French knew they were going to empower someday with arms like these. You don't buy helicarriers for defense, you buy them to easily attack your neighbors. Ties between these two nations go back hundreds of years. I would absolutely not assume the FSB and DGSE/DGSI aren't talking. I would assume they are bosom buddies.
- meric 11y ago
  Do you have a source for heli-carrier being deployed in Ukraine?
  - brohee 11y ago
    He doesn't, because France is not delivering the Mistrals as part of the sanctions on Russia. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/russia-to-order-french-mistral-lhds-05749/ http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/russia-to-order-french-m...
  - drzaiusapelord 11y ago
    I didnt say they were. My argument is that the French enable the Russian war machine. Just because these things aren't being used in the current conflict doens't mean they won't be used on Russia's neighbors in the future. Countries with militaries that enable each other have tight intel relationships. This French/Russia rivalry is non-existant.
- aikah 11y ago
  Ukrainians don't need the Russians to screw each others.Their oligarchs have been doing that for decades. The only thing that changes today is who is financing that corrupt nomenclature. The truth hurts.
mirimir 11y ago
Better yet is to use multiple VPN services in nested chains, jumping among non-cooperating jurisdictions. It's easy to do, using pfSense VMs as VPN gateways.
chopin 11y ago
I'd be interested in a more reputable one as well. As in not injecting malware nilly-willy into my traffic. I'd appreciate if you could name some. I think we are between a rock and a hard place here. I'd be willing to use a VPN in a non-cooperating country to evade state surveillance, but it is hard to make sure that you don't fall prey to non-state (or even maybe state) actors.

by malka 11y ago

lloeki 11y ago

> I doubt that french and russian intelligence are cooperating I wouldn't be so sure, as France and Russia have a long, special history of diplomatic ties, dating as far back as when both were among the most influential countries of the Old World.

aikah 11y ago
That's hardly the case anymore. Hollande clearly made the choice of being an atlantist. Whatever was left of the Russian/French cooperation it's gone.
- lttlrck 11y ago
  such relationships extend and survive far beyond the short term of any sitting President or Prime Minister.
  - aikah 11y ago
    I don't think so, especially when they are that damaged.

drzaiusapelord 11y ago

>and I doubt that french and russian intelligence are cooperating. You guys build warships for Putin's war machine which is murdering civilians in Ukraine, something the French knew they were going to empower someday with arms like these. You don't buy helicarriers for defense, you buy them to easily attack your neighbors. Ties between these two nations go back hundreds of years. I would absolutely not assume the FSB and DGSE/DGSI aren't talking. I would assume they are bosom buddies.

meric 11y ago
Do you have a source for heli-carrier being deployed in Ukraine?
- brohee 11y ago
  He doesn't, because France is not delivering the Mistrals as part of the sanctions on Russia. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/russia-to-order-french-mistral-lhds-05749/ http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/russia-to-order-french-m...
- drzaiusapelord 11y ago
  I didnt say they were. My argument is that the French enable the Russian war machine. Just because these things aren't being used in the current conflict doens't mean they won't be used on Russia's neighbors in the future. Countries with militaries that enable each other have tight intel relationships. This French/Russia rivalry is non-existant.
aikah 11y ago
Ukrainians don't need the Russians to screw each others.Their oligarchs have been doing that for decades. The only thing that changes today is who is financing that corrupt nomenclature. The truth hurts.

mirimir 11y ago

Better yet is to use multiple VPN services in nested chains, jumping among non-cooperating jurisdictions. It's easy to do, using pfSense VMs as VPN gateways.

chopin 11y ago

I'd be interested in a more reputable one as well. As in not injecting malware nilly-willy into my traffic. I'd appreciate if you could name some. I think we are between a rock and a hard place here. I'd be willing to use a VPN in a non-cooperating country to evade state surveillance, but it is hard to make sure that you don't fall prey to non-state (or even maybe state) actors.