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I'll tell you the real, but awful, reason why we have such restrictive zoning in the U.S. The idea behind zoning is to make sure that different classes and rac

I'll tell you the real, but awful, reason why we have such restrictive zoning in the U.S. The idea behind zoning is to make sure that different classes and races don't have to see each other if they don't want to. Putting commercial retail in a residential area would give outsiders an excuse to be there. The whole "white flight" from the cities has left it's mark on zoning ever since the 1960s. IMHO, this is also the reason for really bad public transit.

zrail 12y ago
> IMHO, this is also the reason for really bad public transit. This is an undisputed fact, as people in those communities will readily protest the "crime train" coming through their neighborhoods.[1][2] [1]: http://lewwaters.com/2012/05/22/light-rail-likely-to-raise-vancouvers-crime-rate-again/ http://lewwaters.com/2012/05/22/light-rail-likely-to-raise-v... [2]: http://larslarson.com/would-you-trust-your-kid-on-the-crime-train/ http://larslarson.com/would-you-trust-your-kid-on-the-crime-...
- pnathan 12y ago
  That's horrifying. 'specially as I thought Portland area had good transit!
  - zrail 12y ago
    Don't get me wrong, Portland has excellent transit. However, a very large number of people who work in Portland actually live in Vancouver, WA. Those commuters strenuously object to running light rail over any proposed replacement bridges for the more than 100 year old trestles that currently handle all of that traffic. In addition, commuters to the south of the city limits also strenuously object to light rail running into their neighborhoods.
  - sedachv 12y ago
    If you thought that was nuts, check out this anti-subway video produced by Beverly Hills NIMBYs on behalf of the Beverly Hills High School: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81tihdzaecc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81tihdzaecc This is the same high school that has a huge active oil derrick in the middle of campus: http://www.nileguide.com/destination/blog/los-angeles/2010/06/26/urban-oil-wells-in-los-angeles/ http://www.nileguide.com/destination/blog/los-angeles/2010/0...
logfromblammo 12y ago
Zoning was invented as a reaction to the Equitable Building in NYC, which was built with no setbacks, effectively bricking over all of its neighbors' windows. That was the camel's nose under the tent, and organizations influenced by the Ku Klux Klan used zoning laws as a tool for enforcing segregation at a municipal level. Zoning has been leaving its dirty mark since the 1920s. Nowadays, you can probably just mentally substitute "colored" wherever you see "multi-family" or "high density", to get a sense of the original wording of the laws. The zoning map for my municipality actually uses the color brown for multi-family residential zones, and a light peach color for single-family & detached residential! That may be an unfortunate coincidence. Zoning is probably much more about class boundaries than race now. Rich people don't want poor people walking past their houses. Or driving past them. Or seeing them. Or knowing they exist.
Snesker 12y ago
>The idea behind zoning is to make sure that different classes and races don't have to see each other if they don't want to. What's wrong with that? It's what they want.

zrail 12y ago

> IMHO, this is also the reason for really bad public transit. This is an undisputed fact, as people in those communities will readily protest the "crime train" coming through their neighborhoods.[1][2] [1]: http://lewwaters.com/2012/05/22/light-rail-likely-to-raise-vancouvers-crime-rate-again/ http://lewwaters.com/2012/05/22/light-rail-likely-to-raise-v... [2]: http://larslarson.com/would-you-trust-your-kid-on-the-crime-train/ http://larslarson.com/would-you-trust-your-kid-on-the-crime-...

pnathan 12y ago
That's horrifying. 'specially as I thought Portland area had good transit!
- zrail 12y ago
  Don't get me wrong, Portland has excellent transit. However, a very large number of people who work in Portland actually live in Vancouver, WA. Those commuters strenuously object to running light rail over any proposed replacement bridges for the more than 100 year old trestles that currently handle all of that traffic. In addition, commuters to the south of the city limits also strenuously object to light rail running into their neighborhoods.
- sedachv 12y ago
  If you thought that was nuts, check out this anti-subway video produced by Beverly Hills NIMBYs on behalf of the Beverly Hills High School: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81tihdzaecc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81tihdzaecc This is the same high school that has a huge active oil derrick in the middle of campus: http://www.nileguide.com/destination/blog/los-angeles/2010/06/26/urban-oil-wells-in-los-angeles/ http://www.nileguide.com/destination/blog/los-angeles/2010/0...

logfromblammo 12y ago

Zoning was invented as a reaction to the Equitable Building in NYC, which was built with no setbacks, effectively bricking over all of its neighbors' windows. That was the camel's nose under the tent, and organizations influenced by the Ku Klux Klan used zoning laws as a tool for enforcing segregation at a municipal level. Zoning has been leaving its dirty mark since the 1920s. Nowadays, you can probably just mentally substitute "colored" wherever you see "multi-family" or "high density", to get a sense of the original wording of the laws. The zoning map for my municipality actually uses the color brown for multi-family residential zones, and a light peach color for single-family & detached residential! That may be an unfortunate coincidence. Zoning is probably much more about class boundaries than race now. Rich people don't want poor people walking past their houses. Or driving past them. Or seeing them. Or knowing they exist.

Snesker 12y ago

>The idea behind zoning is to make sure that different classes and races don't have to see each other if they don't want to. What's wrong with that? It's what they want.