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I think it is the complicity of the BND on behalf of the US that has got Germans annoyed, as well as asking a German spy agency to spy on, and feed information

by junto 11y ago

I think it is the complicity of the BND on behalf of the US that has got Germans annoyed, as well as asking a German spy agency to spy on, and feed information on German companies, to the detriment of those companies in favour of US companies. Germans are just starting to realize that they are as much a US poodle as the Brits across the pond.

tomschlick 11y ago
Agreed. I'd imagine most of the close allies have cooperated in this fashion at some point. They just don't talk about it for fear of public backlash.
lispm 11y ago
There is nothing to realize. That's known for a long time. Other than GB we have been occupied by the US, we have large US installations here - including the US military central commands for Europe and Africa (!). The situation is understandable, because Germany caused and lost WWII. But after 70 years since the war has ended, many Germans wish that the US stops using Germany as tool.
- tormeh 11y ago
  With the amount that Germany spends on defence, subjugating the entire defense and intelligence community to the US might be the optimal strategy. Defence may be like Facebook - if you won't pay cash you'll have to pay in other ways.
  - lispm 11y ago
    > With the amount that Germany spends on defence Germany is one of the top defense spending countries. You may check also a map. Germany is surrounded by friends. Germany also doesn't have an empire to maintain. We have spend billions on useless adventures like in Afghanistan. Luckily Germany was not stupid enough to take part in other adventures: Iraq, Libya, ... That the US decides to spend as much as the next twenty countries together is only their problem. But the US politics has made parts of the world a very unsafe place. Check the US politics in north-africa and middle east: toppling regimes and trying to install new regimes. This has created a huge mess and creates problems throughout the region. The rise of ISIS/IS is one of those results.
    - saiya-jin 11y ago
      what you call an adventure is by most muslims percieved as rape and genocide of their homelands. we don't have another world to move to, so we'll have to deal with all the cp US does (and Russia too, I don't see much difference in foregin policies and results nowadays). Have no doubt - legacy of this will be present for generations, and currently we might still not reached the peak of these atrocities.
      - mike_hearn 11y ago
        He was being sarcastic. It was obviously not an adventure in the Famous Five sense. Europe is really suffering now because of the idiocy of American politicians. There are massive waves of migrants fleeing Syria into Europe via boats. Thousands are dying at sea, hundreds of thousands are arriving or being rescued. There is nowhere to put them all. America and its stooges turned these north African countries into anarchy zones and now Europe is paying the price of taking care of the refugees.

by junto 11y ago

tomschlick 11y ago

Agreed. I'd imagine most of the close allies have cooperated in this fashion at some point. They just don't talk about it for fear of public backlash.

lispm 11y ago

There is nothing to realize. That's known for a long time. Other than GB we have been occupied by the US, we have large US installations here - including the US military central commands for Europe and Africa (!). The situation is understandable, because Germany caused and lost WWII. But after 70 years since the war has ended, many Germans wish that the US stops using Germany as tool.

tormeh 11y ago
With the amount that Germany spends on defence, subjugating the entire defense and intelligence community to the US might be the optimal strategy. Defence may be like Facebook - if you won't pay cash you'll have to pay in other ways.
- lispm 11y ago
  > With the amount that Germany spends on defence Germany is one of the top defense spending countries. You may check also a map. Germany is surrounded by friends. Germany also doesn't have an empire to maintain. We have spend billions on useless adventures like in Afghanistan. Luckily Germany was not stupid enough to take part in other adventures: Iraq, Libya, ... That the US decides to spend as much as the next twenty countries together is only their problem. But the US politics has made parts of the world a very unsafe place. Check the US politics in north-africa and middle east: toppling regimes and trying to install new regimes. This has created a huge mess and creates problems throughout the region. The rise of ISIS/IS is one of those results.
  - saiya-jin 11y ago
    what you call an adventure is by most muslims percieved as rape and genocide of their homelands. we don't have another world to move to, so we'll have to deal with all the cp US does (and Russia too, I don't see much difference in foregin policies and results nowadays). Have no doubt - legacy of this will be present for generations, and currently we might still not reached the peak of these atrocities.
    - mike_hearn 11y ago
      He was being sarcastic. It was obviously not an adventure in the Famous Five sense. Europe is really suffering now because of the idiocy of American politicians. There are massive waves of migrants fleeing Syria into Europe via boats. Thousands are dying at sea, hundreds of thousands are arriving or being rescued. There is nowhere to put them all. America and its stooges turned these north African countries into anarchy zones and now Europe is paying the price of taking care of the refugees.