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Why bother converting the website to an app in the first place..?

by nosuchthing 11y ago

ericcholis 11y ago
Market share. Target non-website customers into customers via an app marketplace. If it's seamless, why not?
- paulirish 11y ago
  For customer acquisition, your chances of engagement with a new user are ~50x higher on mobile web than an app.
  - parkovski 11y ago
    You don't pick one or the other. The original iPhone only supported mobile web, and now it has apps, and they've been pretty successful, so I don't think it's worth arguing against that anymore.
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Geee 11y ago
Web apps as 'apps' are more convenient than using them from the browser. Also, you can submit the app on app stores.
- billforsternz 11y ago
  I have never seen how downloading and somehow managing a separate 'app' for every destination I'm interested in visiting on the web is more convenient. I much prefer visiting those destinations using a single tool equipped with a range of mature and hyper-convenient favorites mechanisms.
  - austinjp 11y ago
    I fully agree. However you must have noticed that plenty of people don't live like that. Apps for websites, or apps that closely approximate websites, are very popular. Wikipedia, Google Search, Amazon, bus and train timetables, city transit/route-planning... certain people simply seem to like an app for a specific function.
    - billforsternz 11y ago
      And I agree with you too. There is a place for apps. But it is annoying how every site these days seems to want you to download their app. No thanks, I am just browsing the web, I don't want to commit to a relationship yet !
      - giancarlostoro 11y ago
        Another benefit is content that is available offline, on the go. Without having to access internet, imagine your users could down all your content while on a flight? This is all assuming a website worth reading whether online or offline.
        joshribakoff 11y ago
        I don't believe thats within the capability of "hosted apps". This would be true of only hybrid (Cordova) & native apps.
        adambrenecki 11y ago
        There is the HTML5 Offline APIs for that. If you have an offline-capable web app, I think it should be possible for a tool like ManifoldJS to find out all of the assets it requires and package them into the app. Whether it actually does this, I don't know.
        joshribakoff 11y ago
- nosuchthing 11y ago
  I don't find it convenient to download dozens of apps for services I rarely use.
  - parkovski 11y ago
    Cool, then don't. Why does everybody think you can only have either a mobile website or an app? You can do both.
- jackmaney 11y ago
  I literally cannot conceive how anyone could possibly think this. And that's not using the word "literally" to mean "figuratively".
kbutler 11y ago
As an app developer: - you may have an easy revenue opportunity with a downloadable app - you may reach new customers through the app store mechanisms - you may be able to provide a useful offline experience As a user: - for a daily use app, it may be more convenient to launch from the phone app mechanisms instead of a browser favorites list In general: - providing more routes to access your application is good. Let users use the one they like best. Yes, I'm aware of the iOS function to save an app bookmark to the home screen. I've never met a non-developer iOS user who has used it.
boyofgreen 11y ago
I wanted to jump in here and share our perspective. I'm the project owner for manifoldJS. In a nut shell, you shouldn't always convert your website into an app. Depending on who you are trying to reach, the web may be the only channel you need. My experience is that apps stores are reaching a different type of user, ones that web developers often want to reach as well. What we are trying to do is help web devs reach those users without loosing the essence of the web (real time generated, always up to date apps). Hosted apps are helping us close the gap. Again, this tool is not for every web app, and a poorly designed web app, will create a poorly designed store app every time.

Why bother converting the website to an app in the first place..?

ericcholis 11y ago

Market share. Target non-website customers into customers via an app marketplace. If it's seamless, why not?

paulirish 11y ago
For customer acquisition, your chances of engagement with a new user are ~50x higher on mobile web than an app.
- parkovski 11y ago
  You don't pick one or the other. The original iPhone only supported mobile web, and now it has apps, and they've been pretty successful, so I don't think it's worth arguing against that anymore.

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Geee 11y ago

Web apps as 'apps' are more convenient than using them from the browser. Also, you can submit the app on app stores.

billforsternz 11y ago
I have never seen how downloading and somehow managing a separate 'app' for every destination I'm interested in visiting on the web is more convenient. I much prefer visiting those destinations using a single tool equipped with a range of mature and hyper-convenient favorites mechanisms.
- austinjp 11y ago
  I fully agree. However you must have noticed that plenty of people don't live like that. Apps for websites, or apps that closely approximate websites, are very popular. Wikipedia, Google Search, Amazon, bus and train timetables, city transit/route-planning... certain people simply seem to like an app for a specific function.
  - billforsternz 11y ago
    And I agree with you too. There is a place for apps. But it is annoying how every site these days seems to want you to download their app. No thanks, I am just browsing the web, I don't want to commit to a relationship yet !
    - giancarlostoro 11y ago
      Another benefit is content that is available offline, on the go. Without having to access internet, imagine your users could down all your content while on a flight? This is all assuming a website worth reading whether online or offline.
      - joshribakoff 11y ago
        I don't believe thats within the capability of "hosted apps". This would be true of only hybrid (Cordova) & native apps.
        adambrenecki 11y ago
        There is the HTML5 Offline APIs for that. If you have an offline-capable web app, I think it should be possible for a tool like ManifoldJS to find out all of the assets it requires and package them into the app. Whether it actually does this, I don't know.
        joshribakoff 11y ago
nosuchthing 11y ago
I don't find it convenient to download dozens of apps for services I rarely use.
- parkovski 11y ago
  Cool, then don't. Why does everybody think you can only have either a mobile website or an app? You can do both.
jackmaney 11y ago
I literally cannot conceive how anyone could possibly think this. And that's not using the word "literally" to mean "figuratively".

kbutler 11y ago

As an app developer: - you may have an easy revenue opportunity with a downloadable app - you may reach new customers through the app store mechanisms - you may be able to provide a useful offline experience As a user: - for a daily use app, it may be more convenient to launch from the phone app mechanisms instead of a browser favorites list In general: - providing more routes to access your application is good. Let users use the one they like best. Yes, I'm aware of the iOS function to save an app bookmark to the home screen. I've never met a non-developer iOS user who has used it.

boyofgreen 11y ago

I wanted to jump in here and share our perspective. I'm the project owner for manifoldJS. In a nut shell, you shouldn't always convert your website into an app. Depending on who you are trying to reach, the web may be the only channel you need. My experience is that apps stores are reaching a different type of user, ones that web developers often want to reach as well. What we are trying to do is help web devs reach those users without loosing the essence of the web (real time generated, always up to date apps). Hosted apps are helping us close the gap. Again, this tool is not for every web app, and a poorly designed web app, will create a poorly designed store app every time.