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:( still no canvas or svg... jerks.

by drcode 17y ago

rbanffy 17y ago
At least it's almost as fast as the slowest competitor...
- drcode 17y ago
  Yeah, I love how they say IE is no longer an "outlier." They need to use trickery in the graph so that it's hard to tell that it's still 3x slower than Chrome or Safari.
  - rbanffy 17y ago
    I am shocked you would expect an honest report from Microsoft, about a very important product during the heavy media coverage of the PDC
  - mdemare 17y ago
    They did show how IE8 is orders of magnitude slower than its competitors - that display of honesty shocked me a little.
    - neilk 17y ago
      They admit the flaws when the next version is about to come out. Standard operating procedure for marketing.
      - rbanffy 17y ago
        That's the only reason we have to imagine IE9 will be released soon. Had it been a "minor improvement" over IE8 and were it aimed squarely as a competitor to Chrome or Firefox, I would doubt it would ever launch. Just preventing companies from rewriting internal web apps to be more cross-browser-friendly would be sufficient accomplishment.
  - billybob 17y ago
    I'm looking for the trickery, and I haven't spotted it yet. Can you elaborate?
    - unfletch 17y ago
      I think he's speaking of y-axis' scale. Using such a large scale and including older versions of IE makes IE 9 look downright fast. If you plotted just the rightmost cluster (IE 9, FF 3.6, WebKit nightly) on its own graph with a scale that went from 0 to, say, 1500 instead of 16000, it would be very clear that IE 9 is still slow compared to it's peers -- nearly 3x slower than WebKit as noted by the earlier comment. It's quite an improvement, but here's hoping they keep optimizing.
  - ZeroGravitas 17y ago
    Also, Firefox already gets snippy with Webkit because they bail on dealing with difficult corner cases (the page showing the HTML5 spec itself being a recent example), then trumpet how fast they are. Let's see how fast IE9 is when it actually supports the standards properly.
rufo 17y ago
No mention on if they actually, truly, really support transparent PNGs this time around, either. (If you think they fixed that in IE7, try setting opacity on a transparent PNG....)
- etherealG 17y ago
  that's a bug in their implementation of opacity, not of png. they don't support existing alpha in their opacity calculations.
  - rufo 17y ago
    Whoops, you're right. I hadn't really read in-depth when I ran into this several months ago, and I was rather peeved at the time regardless. It doesn't really matter though - the point is, they still have a long way to go before they can earn back the trust they've squandered amongst the web development community.

:( still no canvas or svg... jerks.

by drcode 17y ago

:( still no canvas or svg... jerks.

rbanffy 17y ago

At least it's almost as fast as the slowest competitor...

drcode 17y ago
Yeah, I love how they say IE is no longer an "outlier." They need to use trickery in the graph so that it's hard to tell that it's still 3x slower than Chrome or Safari.
- rbanffy 17y ago
  I am shocked you would expect an honest report from Microsoft, about a very important product during the heavy media coverage of the PDC
- mdemare 17y ago
  They did show how IE8 is orders of magnitude slower than its competitors - that display of honesty shocked me a little.
  - neilk 17y ago
    They admit the flaws when the next version is about to come out. Standard operating procedure for marketing.
    - rbanffy 17y ago
      That's the only reason we have to imagine IE9 will be released soon. Had it been a "minor improvement" over IE8 and were it aimed squarely as a competitor to Chrome or Firefox, I would doubt it would ever launch. Just preventing companies from rewriting internal web apps to be more cross-browser-friendly would be sufficient accomplishment.
- billybob 17y ago
  I'm looking for the trickery, and I haven't spotted it yet. Can you elaborate?
  - unfletch 17y ago
    I think he's speaking of y-axis' scale. Using such a large scale and including older versions of IE makes IE 9 look downright fast. If you plotted just the rightmost cluster (IE 9, FF 3.6, WebKit nightly) on its own graph with a scale that went from 0 to, say, 1500 instead of 16000, it would be very clear that IE 9 is still slow compared to it's peers -- nearly 3x slower than WebKit as noted by the earlier comment. It's quite an improvement, but here's hoping they keep optimizing.
- ZeroGravitas 17y ago
  Also, Firefox already gets snippy with Webkit because they bail on dealing with difficult corner cases (the page showing the HTML5 spec itself being a recent example), then trumpet how fast they are. Let's see how fast IE9 is when it actually supports the standards properly.

rufo 17y ago

No mention on if they actually, truly, really support transparent PNGs this time around, either. (If you think they fixed that in IE7, try setting opacity on a transparent PNG....)

etherealG 17y ago
that's a bug in their implementation of opacity, not of png. they don't support existing alpha in their opacity calculations.
- rufo 17y ago
  Whoops, you're right. I hadn't really read in-depth when I ran into this several months ago, and I was rather peeved at the time regardless. It doesn't really matter though - the point is, they still have a long way to go before they can earn back the trust they've squandered amongst the web development community.