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As much as i like this article, Tesla would never had the success they now have, without the "petrol car"-Industry. The automotive industry brought a lot of in

by axx 11y ago

As much as i like this article, Tesla would never had the success they now have, without the "petrol car"-Industry. The automotive industry brought a lot of innovations and lowered prices for tooling etc. by a lot. I think this article is very funny (and sad), but you have to give those "old" companies a lot of credit for their work. That's still no excuse for other companies, not to hop on the electric train.

hahainternet 11y ago
> but you have to give those "old" companies a lot of credit for their work. I can't think of any industries where that wouldn't be the case.
jaxbot 11y ago
To be fair, though, we theoretically don't need the car industry at all. Tesla is building an electric industry to solve the emissions problem created by a transportation industry that does not need to exist. Take NYC for example. MTA enables transportation to just about anywhere in the city, all through an electric, mass-transit trolley system. If we look at the history of municipal transportation, it looks pretty clear that trolleys were winning over the majority of the car industry up until GM took over trolleys[1] and shut them down to essentially require people to own cars to do any transportation outside of biking and walking. I think what Tesla is doing is wonderful, but I feel like the problem they are having to solve didn't need to exist in the first place, and the petrol car industry got us in a bad situation. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspi...
- axx 11y ago
  You do realise that not everyone is living in big vivid cities with perfect transportation? For people in rural/urban areas cars are essential. And don't get me wrong, i agree with everything you say, but that problem won't be solved so easily.
  - jaxbot 11y ago
    Absolutely, but the car industry didn't need to innovate there much because demand already existed. The point I was getting at is that we ripped out municipal transit systems, then built spread out cities where implementing mass transit would not be cost effective (i.e. Orlando, FL) but work well with cars. I'm no expert, though. It's just a thought I frequent on whenever looking at the state of transit and where we're going.
- joshuapants 11y ago
  > Take NYC for example. MTA enables transportation to just about anywhere in the city, all through an electric, mass-transit trolley system. From my time living in a suburb with a car and living in NYC with no car, the MTA is really really inconvenient and filthy. I wouldn't want to have a car in NYC, but I also wouldn't want to be there in the first place.
- ekianjo 11y ago
  > we theoretically don't need the car industry at all Oh, so we reached the new milestone of 100% people living in urban centers and nobody has let me know ? :) Obviously a ton of people need cars every single day to actually move from their home to their work place, because, you know, there's not just public transportation everywhere (and even when there is, it can be crappy and inefficient as hell, too).
ptaipale 11y ago
In my opinion perhaps the most astonishing thing is the development of material technology. How the industry can make engine components that endure mechanical wear for hundreds of thousands of kilometers and tens of millions of engine rotations, with huge pressures and extreme heat inside the engine, applying tremendous forces of torque, and operating in either hot or extremely cold climates.
PinguTS 11y ago
Still there would be no Tesla without the car industry. Tesla has lots of same parts from Ford. Anything from adaptive cruise control to autopilot and as such is brought in because of the partner ship with Daimler. The original sports car was based on the Lotus Elise. The whole manufacturing plant is build by car industry experts.

by axx 11y ago

hahainternet 11y ago

> but you have to give those "old" companies a lot of credit for their work. I can't think of any industries where that wouldn't be the case.

jaxbot 11y ago

To be fair, though, we theoretically don't need the car industry at all. Tesla is building an electric industry to solve the emissions problem created by a transportation industry that does not need to exist. Take NYC for example. MTA enables transportation to just about anywhere in the city, all through an electric, mass-transit trolley system. If we look at the history of municipal transportation, it looks pretty clear that trolleys were winning over the majority of the car industry up until GM took over trolleys[1] and shut them down to essentially require people to own cars to do any transportation outside of biking and walking. I think what Tesla is doing is wonderful, but I feel like the problem they are having to solve didn't need to exist in the first place, and the petrol car industry got us in a bad situation. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspi...

axx 11y ago
You do realise that not everyone is living in big vivid cities with perfect transportation? For people in rural/urban areas cars are essential. And don't get me wrong, i agree with everything you say, but that problem won't be solved so easily.
- jaxbot 11y ago
  Absolutely, but the car industry didn't need to innovate there much because demand already existed. The point I was getting at is that we ripped out municipal transit systems, then built spread out cities where implementing mass transit would not be cost effective (i.e. Orlando, FL) but work well with cars. I'm no expert, though. It's just a thought I frequent on whenever looking at the state of transit and where we're going.
joshuapants 11y ago
> Take NYC for example. MTA enables transportation to just about anywhere in the city, all through an electric, mass-transit trolley system. From my time living in a suburb with a car and living in NYC with no car, the MTA is really really inconvenient and filthy. I wouldn't want to have a car in NYC, but I also wouldn't want to be there in the first place.
ekianjo 11y ago
> we theoretically don't need the car industry at all Oh, so we reached the new milestone of 100% people living in urban centers and nobody has let me know ? :) Obviously a ton of people need cars every single day to actually move from their home to their work place, because, you know, there's not just public transportation everywhere (and even when there is, it can be crappy and inefficient as hell, too).

ptaipale 11y ago

In my opinion perhaps the most astonishing thing is the development of material technology. How the industry can make engine components that endure mechanical wear for hundreds of thousands of kilometers and tens of millions of engine rotations, with huge pressures and extreme heat inside the engine, applying tremendous forces of torque, and operating in either hot or extremely cold climates.

PinguTS 11y ago

Still there would be no Tesla without the car industry. Tesla has lots of same parts from Ford. Anything from adaptive cruise control to autopilot and as such is brought in because of the partner ship with Daimler. The original sports car was based on the Lotus Elise. The whole manufacturing plant is build by car industry experts.