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This is ridiculous. The author makes it sound like perl6 is more of a success than python3 -- despite python3 being used for real projects for years now, and pe

by jsn 11y ago

This is ridiculous. The author makes it sound like perl6 is more of a success than python3 -- despite python3 being used for real projects for years now, and perl6 being "slow and about to have its first release" (just like it was for the last, I don't know, 7 years?). I mean, come on.

sundarurfriend 11y ago
IMHO, the practical best-case scenario for Perl 6 at this point is a Lisp-like status where the language itself does not see much commercial use, but ideas from it fuel innovative attempts in existing and new languages. That would be the best-case though, and it might just bomb and be forgotten within months, which in fact seems to be the common expectation from many. In any case, this was one of the most unabashedly biased articles I've seen on HN, with badly made attempts at revisionistic history. Perl is still my favourite scripting language, but even I have to admit that Perl 6 has little hope of adoption, and Perl 5 is dying a slow and painful death: due to the momentum, clarity and leadership and P6 took away from it. A few ported-back features gained can't possibly make up for the lack of a cohesive vision that resulted from nobody being sure of the status of the Perl 5 language. Subroutine arguments have long languished in interminable bikeshedding due to this (despite actually having a few enthusiastic implementors - a rare phenomenon in P5 world now!), and we have embarrassments like autoderef and smartmatch[1] which reduce people's trust in the language even more. What makes the situation truly infuriating though, is the snarky and superior attitudes taken by most P6 folk, just like this article exhibits. Even if you begin with an attitude of collaboration, it soon begins to feel like you're talking to King Joffrey, with that ever-condescending smile of his. [1] http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=961344 http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=961344
- kbenson 11y ago
  > it might just bomb and be forgotten within months That seems unlikely for any project with over a decade of work behind it. > What makes the situation truly infuriating though, is the snarky and superior attitudes taken by most P6 folk, just like this article exhibits. Even if you begin with an attitude of collaboration, it soon begins to feel like you're talking to King Joffrey, with that ever-condescending smile of his. Do you have any examples, because I've dropped in their IRC channel occasionally over the years, and it's been nothing but welcoming. The attitude at YAPC (at least in 2013 when I went) was very positive from everyone I heard, from both P5 and P6.

by jsn 11y ago

sundarurfriend 11y ago

IMHO, the practical best-case scenario for Perl 6 at this point is a Lisp-like status where the language itself does not see much commercial use, but ideas from it fuel innovative attempts in existing and new languages. That would be the best-case though, and it might just bomb and be forgotten within months, which in fact seems to be the common expectation from many. In any case, this was one of the most unabashedly biased articles I've seen on HN, with badly made attempts at revisionistic history. Perl is still my favourite scripting language, but even I have to admit that Perl 6 has little hope of adoption, and Perl 5 is dying a slow and painful death: due to the momentum, clarity and leadership and P6 took away from it. A few ported-back features gained can't possibly make up for the lack of a cohesive vision that resulted from nobody being sure of the status of the Perl 5 language. Subroutine arguments have long languished in interminable bikeshedding due to this (despite actually having a few enthusiastic implementors - a rare phenomenon in P5 world now!), and we have embarrassments like autoderef and smartmatch[1] which reduce people's trust in the language even more. What makes the situation truly infuriating though, is the snarky and superior attitudes taken by most P6 folk, just like this article exhibits. Even if you begin with an attitude of collaboration, it soon begins to feel like you're talking to King Joffrey, with that ever-condescending smile of his. [1] http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=961344 http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=961344

kbenson 11y ago
> it might just bomb and be forgotten within months That seems unlikely for any project with over a decade of work behind it. > What makes the situation truly infuriating though, is the snarky and superior attitudes taken by most P6 folk, just like this article exhibits. Even if you begin with an attitude of collaboration, it soon begins to feel like you're talking to King Joffrey, with that ever-condescending smile of his. Do you have any examples, because I've dropped in their IRC channel occasionally over the years, and it's been nothing but welcoming. The attitude at YAPC (at least in 2013 when I went) was very positive from everyone I heard, from both P5 and P6.