3 ms·

Though I suppose if you take your position to its logical extreme, everyone who is Jewish should question their Judaism, since its dependent on who your ancesto

Though I suppose if you take your position to its logical extreme, everyone who is Jewish should question their Judaism, since its dependent on who your ancestors (specifically your female ancestors) were.

viraptor 11y ago
Is this really extreme? Relatively recently we managed to get rid of the idea that you should be a ruler of a country if your parents were rulers. Slightly later the idea that you should be stuck in the class you were born with. My generation got the idea that they don't have to be Christian just because ~99% of previous generation in the country declared themselves as such. I'd be very happy if people made such choices on their own and questioned traditions in a logical and considerate way.
- ZanyProgrammer 11y ago
  The thing is, encouraging people to question their Jewishness just because of happenstance of who their mom was, is going to be interpreted as anti-semitic.
  - viraptor 11y ago
    Sure, but everything can be interpreted as pro/anti-semitic if it happens to affect Jews. I think this question becomes more logical and less emotional if you ask this about a made up group: Joesons say that if your father was named Joe you belong to this group by default and whatever rules the group has written down apply to you and you should follow them. You'll be judged by them as a bad person if you don't. If you question your belonging to Joesons it will be interpreted as anti-joesonic. Does it bother you that's you're labeled anti-joesonic in that case? Why would the situation be different for anti-semitic? Because of current number of Jews? Their history? Other reasons?
ronnier 11y ago
To question and not accept blindly is encouraged. Even the word "Israel" means to struggle with God.
formulaT 11y ago
Jewish people should question the ideology and politics that the Jewish community promotes, just as Hungarians should question the ideology and politics of the people who claim to represent Hungarians. This guy did a full about face from "Gypsies and Jews are destroying Hungary" to "Jews should be welcome everywhere, but we need to stop Muslim immigrants from destroying our tolerant open society".
- kefka 11y ago
  "Gypsies and Jews are destroying Hungary" to "Jews should be welcome everywhere, but we need to stop Muslim immigrants from destroying our tolerant open society" Family infighting sure does suck, doesn't it?
mreiland 11y ago
The point wasn't really about judaism specifically, but yes, I agree everyone should give thought to who they are.

viraptor 11y ago

Is this really extreme? Relatively recently we managed to get rid of the idea that you should be a ruler of a country if your parents were rulers. Slightly later the idea that you should be stuck in the class you were born with. My generation got the idea that they don't have to be Christian just because ~99% of previous generation in the country declared themselves as such. I'd be very happy if people made such choices on their own and questioned traditions in a logical and considerate way.

ZanyProgrammer 11y ago
The thing is, encouraging people to question their Jewishness just because of happenstance of who their mom was, is going to be interpreted as anti-semitic.
- viraptor 11y ago
  Sure, but everything can be interpreted as pro/anti-semitic if it happens to affect Jews. I think this question becomes more logical and less emotional if you ask this about a made up group: Joesons say that if your father was named Joe you belong to this group by default and whatever rules the group has written down apply to you and you should follow them. You'll be judged by them as a bad person if you don't. If you question your belonging to Joesons it will be interpreted as anti-joesonic. Does it bother you that's you're labeled anti-joesonic in that case? Why would the situation be different for anti-semitic? Because of current number of Jews? Their history? Other reasons?

ronnier 11y ago

To question and not accept blindly is encouraged. Even the word "Israel" means to struggle with God.

formulaT 11y ago

Jewish people should question the ideology and politics that the Jewish community promotes, just as Hungarians should question the ideology and politics of the people who claim to represent Hungarians. This guy did a full about face from "Gypsies and Jews are destroying Hungary" to "Jews should be welcome everywhere, but we need to stop Muslim immigrants from destroying our tolerant open society".

kefka 11y ago
"Gypsies and Jews are destroying Hungary" to "Jews should be welcome everywhere, but we need to stop Muslim immigrants from destroying our tolerant open society" Family infighting sure does suck, doesn't it?

mreiland 11y ago

The point wasn't really about judaism specifically, but yes, I agree everyone should give thought to who they are.