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If you say that privacy is huge and you don't demand only free software then you are inconsistent. You don't put your money where your mouth is. Your comment m

by madez 12y ago

If you say that privacy is huge and you don't demand only free software then you are inconsistent. You don't put your money where your mouth is. Your comment makes questionable motives visible and I wonder why you don't get downvoted.

joshstrange 12y ago
> If you say that privacy is huge and you don't demand only free software then you are inconsistent. You don't put your money where your mouth is. I think is something we all do. We all have "wants" in our products and "needs", I want all my software to be secure and open source but I also want something usable and something that allows me to interact easily with my peers. I believe both iOS and Android do this and I believe both are equally closed. Sure Android has a open source base but let's not pretend that that's what the VAST majority of people are running. For the handful of people running custom roms with no closed code and a FOSS app store I salute them. Good for them, I can't do it and the vast majority of us can't. I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. IMHO, the "Android" that 99.999% of people use is no better than iOS when it comes to openness/knowledge that the software you are running does what you think it does. I've got to weigh the pros and cons of which both my time and my want for secure products factor in. My options a lot of the time are use closed source software or use open source (that may or may not exist) and extend it to do what the closed source software does. Since the latter would take substantially more time (especially when also considering I only know a handful of languages) I choose to use the closed source software. So yes, I trade time/energy for my security from time to time. Put very simply, I'm not going to choose to play life in hard mode, I've got enough stuff going on that I'm not going to add endless coding to that list (Note: I code plenty in my free time to just keep up with and learn more). If that makes me a monster then so be it, I'm genuinely interested to know how other people handle this. I'd really be interested for someone who ONLY uses FOSS to blog about their whole setup. There are some tools for my job that I simply have to use that are closed source, how do other FOSS advocates deal with this?
- madez 12y ago
  You are saying that there is more than security and privacy when it comes to technology. I hear you. Still, saying "security/privacy is HUGE. (...) [but features and social pressure are more important.]" sounds inconsistent. Maybe start next time with "features and social pressure are HUGE". Since you seem to be trolling I won't analyze your comment furthermore. However, I use a custom ROM and no gapps. Do you have specific questions?
  - joshstrange 12y ago
    I'm honestly not trolling. Hell, I'm using my own name to post this all under. I'm genuinely interested in if you compile the rom yourself and every app you use or do you trust in the people behind the rom/app store?
    - madez 12y ago
      The reason why I suspected you to troll was that you said that Android were no more open than iOS, while in fact it is and I assume that everybody here knows that. For example, one can install Firefox on Android while on iOS one can only install a different UI for the apple-delivered browser. Also, on most Android devices you can easily replace the operating system while on devices with iOS you mostly can't. Apple imprisons its customers. In the spirit of friendship and goodwill, my name is Christian Weinz. I didn't compile my operating system nor the apps that I run. I run cyanogenmod without gapps, and I am preparing to compile own version to remove some features of cyanogenmod I don't like. I use a firewall to block most apps access to the internet. I trust that there are people behind the fdroid app manager that oppose strongly to spy on its users.
- bigbugbag 12y ago
  Your seem to be confused. The point is privacy is not possible outside of free software. If you'd rather have convenience and comfort over privacy, it's your choice and you're probably renouncing to your freedoms.

by madez 12y ago

joshstrange 12y ago

> If you say that privacy is huge and you don't demand only free software then you are inconsistent. You don't put your money where your mouth is. I think is something we all do. We all have "wants" in our products and "needs", I want all my software to be secure and open source but I also want something usable and something that allows me to interact easily with my peers. I believe both iOS and Android do this and I believe both are equally closed. Sure Android has a open source base but let's not pretend that that's what the VAST majority of people are running. For the handful of people running custom roms with no closed code and a FOSS app store I salute them. Good for them, I can't do it and the vast majority of us can't. I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. IMHO, the "Android" that 99.999% of people use is no better than iOS when it comes to openness/knowledge that the software you are running does what you think it does. I've got to weigh the pros and cons of which both my time and my want for secure products factor in. My options a lot of the time are use closed source software or use open source (that may or may not exist) and extend it to do what the closed source software does. Since the latter would take substantially more time (especially when also considering I only know a handful of languages) I choose to use the closed source software. So yes, I trade time/energy for my security from time to time. Put very simply, I'm not going to choose to play life in hard mode, I've got enough stuff going on that I'm not going to add endless coding to that list (Note: I code plenty in my free time to just keep up with and learn more). If that makes me a monster then so be it, I'm genuinely interested to know how other people handle this. I'd really be interested for someone who ONLY uses FOSS to blog about their whole setup. There are some tools for my job that I simply have to use that are closed source, how do other FOSS advocates deal with this?

madez 12y ago
You are saying that there is more than security and privacy when it comes to technology. I hear you. Still, saying "security/privacy is HUGE. (...) [but features and social pressure are more important.]" sounds inconsistent. Maybe start next time with "features and social pressure are HUGE". Since you seem to be trolling I won't analyze your comment furthermore. However, I use a custom ROM and no gapps. Do you have specific questions?
- joshstrange 12y ago
  I'm honestly not trolling. Hell, I'm using my own name to post this all under. I'm genuinely interested in if you compile the rom yourself and every app you use or do you trust in the people behind the rom/app store?
  - madez 12y ago
    The reason why I suspected you to troll was that you said that Android were no more open than iOS, while in fact it is and I assume that everybody here knows that. For example, one can install Firefox on Android while on iOS one can only install a different UI for the apple-delivered browser. Also, on most Android devices you can easily replace the operating system while on devices with iOS you mostly can't. Apple imprisons its customers. In the spirit of friendship and goodwill, my name is Christian Weinz. I didn't compile my operating system nor the apps that I run. I run cyanogenmod without gapps, and I am preparing to compile own version to remove some features of cyanogenmod I don't like. I use a firewall to block most apps access to the internet. I trust that there are people behind the fdroid app manager that oppose strongly to spy on its users.
bigbugbag 12y ago
Your seem to be confused. The point is privacy is not possible outside of free software. If you'd rather have convenience and comfort over privacy, it's your choice and you're probably renouncing to your freedoms.