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Dude, internal recruiters are on a 6 month contract, they have no more loyalty to the company than the water cooler repair man. They get paid to undercut you.

by czep 11y ago

Dude, internal recruiters are on a 6 month contract, they have no more loyalty to the company than the water cooler repair man. They get paid to undercut you. If you reveal your salary to them, it's basically like handing them a personal check which they will cash in for a week in Tahoe. As for glassdoor, have you ever posted your salary there? Any of your friends? Ok let me rephrase: do you think it is a random sample, or could it potentially be biased?

akerl_ 11y ago
That's a bold statement. Are you saying that some, a majority, or most of companies are hiring recruiting staff on 6 month contracts? I'd be curious to see the underlying data here, because I feel like especially in the small company / startup space, either no internal recruiting staff exist (you're being recruited by some manager/engineer who also handles recruiting for their team) or they're hiring somebody full-time to bring in talent, on a contract that includes the terms "equity" and "long vesting term"
- czep 11y ago
  I'm trying to counteract what I consider a naive assumption that internal recruiters are more aligned with your interests or the firm's interests than are external recruiters. In a startup, yes, you are more likely to be talking with HMs directly, in which case they probably don't have access to the rigid job tables and classifications that professional recruiters use. They are also more able to tailor a job req for a specific candidate so they don't have to stick to a rigid salary range. At the same time, they also probably have limited budget to work with, so your ability to negotiate will eventually hit a wall because they simply can't afford to pay that much. In medium and large companies, I think that recruiting is largely a revolving door. They work on contract, they are in it for themselves, and their primary motivation is to close deals fast and pay you the bare minimum they can to close the deal. I merely wish to warn that you shouldn't distinguish internal from external recruiters. The main point being that in this negotiation, you can't trust anyone but yourself. Focus on impressing the hell out of whomever makes the decision, then you can bargain for a better deal.
landryraccoon 11y ago
Glassdoor requires you to post your own salary to view the salaries of others (unless that policy has changed recently). So if you're browsing a lot of glassdoor salaries, you've probably posted your own.
- tomp 11y ago
  I interpret that differently - that most of the people that posted their salary lied. Myself, for example, I've never posted my salary because I've always worked for companies so small that the employer could easily identify me. So if I wanted to browse the salaries, I would just make up a salary (around the existing Glassdoor average) for a big company (Intel, Google, JPMorgan, ...)

by czep 11y ago

akerl_ 11y ago

That's a bold statement. Are you saying that some, a majority, or most of companies are hiring recruiting staff on 6 month contracts? I'd be curious to see the underlying data here, because I feel like especially in the small company / startup space, either no internal recruiting staff exist (you're being recruited by some manager/engineer who also handles recruiting for their team) or they're hiring somebody full-time to bring in talent, on a contract that includes the terms "equity" and "long vesting term"

czep 11y ago
I'm trying to counteract what I consider a naive assumption that internal recruiters are more aligned with your interests or the firm's interests than are external recruiters. In a startup, yes, you are more likely to be talking with HMs directly, in which case they probably don't have access to the rigid job tables and classifications that professional recruiters use. They are also more able to tailor a job req for a specific candidate so they don't have to stick to a rigid salary range. At the same time, they also probably have limited budget to work with, so your ability to negotiate will eventually hit a wall because they simply can't afford to pay that much. In medium and large companies, I think that recruiting is largely a revolving door. They work on contract, they are in it for themselves, and their primary motivation is to close deals fast and pay you the bare minimum they can to close the deal. I merely wish to warn that you shouldn't distinguish internal from external recruiters. The main point being that in this negotiation, you can't trust anyone but yourself. Focus on impressing the hell out of whomever makes the decision, then you can bargain for a better deal.

landryraccoon 11y ago

Glassdoor requires you to post your own salary to view the salaries of others (unless that policy has changed recently). So if you're browsing a lot of glassdoor salaries, you've probably posted your own.

tomp 11y ago
I interpret that differently - that most of the people that posted their salary lied. Myself, for example, I've never posted my salary because I've always worked for companies so small that the employer could easily identify me. So if I wanted to browse the salaries, I would just make up a salary (around the existing Glassdoor average) for a big company (Intel, Google, JPMorgan, ...)