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> Personally, I don't find typing on a flat surface to be a very pleasant experience. As a touch typist, I depend on a certain amount of feedback to my fingers

by nolok 12y ago

> Personally, I don't find typing on a flat surface to be a very pleasant experience. As a touch typist, I depend on a certain amount of feedback to my fingers to identify when a key has been actuated, and I'm not always looking at my screen when I'm typing something out. With this device, how could I know the spacebar registered properly, and didn't accidentally send my cursor into another location due to an errant swipe of my thumb as it rests on the spacebar? Well, you kind of answered yourself there > Like [...] every tablet/phone in existance ? Haptic feedback solve that particular issue. From what I understand some haptic technology like the one planned to use on steam console's controller also handle the "I need to feel where the keys are without looking", although I personally never experienced any of it first hand. I agree with you that I still prefer an actual keyboard and space key on a laptop though

chimeracoder 12y ago
> Haptic feedback solve that particular issue. It really doesn't. I could type faster on a Blackberry keyboard than I can write by hand, or type on an Android or iOS device even with text prediction on the latter. Ironically, as they started to lose market share in ~2009, Blackberry tried to pioneer the use of haptic feedback on flat-screen phone keyboards, using a vibration to simulate "clicking"[0] the screen[1]. It was a disaster. I use flat keyboards on my phone and tablet out of necessity - for phones, there's really no alternative these days. But the typing experience on even the best phone/tablet is light years behind the experience of typing on a physical keyboard. [0] This is different from the way that Android and iOS devices vibrate when you press a key [1] Not to be confused with the earlier model which actually had you "click" the screen.
- nolok 12y ago
  I agree, but then I genuinely believe you are mistaken in what makes you faster: it's not the feedback that the touch is pressed (what you described in the above post, and what haptic feedback currently solves), it's the feedback that the touch is even there ! In other words, it's not the pressing, but the finding/reaching the next key. Again, I agree that current phone keyboard are faaar beyond an actual keyboard in speed, only arguing on the cause. As I hinted in my previous message there are new haptic techs that aims to actually give a sensation of where the various keys are, I have never tried it but I hope they can do even half of what they claim.
  - chimeracoder 12y ago
    > I agree, but then I genuinely believe you are mistaken in what makes you faster: it's not the feedback that the touch is pressed (what you described in the above post, and what haptic feedback currently solves), it's the feedback that the touch is even there That's my point. Haptic feedback doesn't solve this, as evidenced by the keyboards that have haptic feedback on keypress but no tactile indication that the key has been located.
    - nolok 12y ago
      Then either I misunderstood or you weren't clear enough, your first message said > As a touch typist, I depend on a certain amount of feedback to my fingers to identify when a key has been actuated [...] > how could I know the spacebar registered properly Which specifically means when the key is pressed, not when you are on it / reached it, which I believe is the thing causing the slow down of our speed.

by nolok 12y ago

chimeracoder 12y ago

> Haptic feedback solve that particular issue. It really doesn't. I could type faster on a Blackberry keyboard than I can write by hand, or type on an Android or iOS device even with text prediction on the latter. Ironically, as they started to lose market share in ~2009, Blackberry tried to pioneer the use of haptic feedback on flat-screen phone keyboards, using a vibration to simulate "clicking"[0] the screen[1]. It was a disaster. I use flat keyboards on my phone and tablet out of necessity - for phones, there's really no alternative these days. But the typing experience on even the best phone/tablet is light years behind the experience of typing on a physical keyboard. [0] This is different from the way that Android and iOS devices vibrate when you press a key [1] Not to be confused with the earlier model which actually had you "click" the screen.

nolok 12y ago
I agree, but then I genuinely believe you are mistaken in what makes you faster: it's not the feedback that the touch is pressed (what you described in the above post, and what haptic feedback currently solves), it's the feedback that the touch is even there ! In other words, it's not the pressing, but the finding/reaching the next key. Again, I agree that current phone keyboard are faaar beyond an actual keyboard in speed, only arguing on the cause. As I hinted in my previous message there are new haptic techs that aims to actually give a sensation of where the various keys are, I have never tried it but I hope they can do even half of what they claim.
- chimeracoder 12y ago
  > I agree, but then I genuinely believe you are mistaken in what makes you faster: it's not the feedback that the touch is pressed (what you described in the above post, and what haptic feedback currently solves), it's the feedback that the touch is even there That's my point. Haptic feedback doesn't solve this, as evidenced by the keyboards that have haptic feedback on keypress but no tactile indication that the key has been located.
  - nolok 12y ago
    Then either I misunderstood or you weren't clear enough, your first message said > As a touch typist, I depend on a certain amount of feedback to my fingers to identify when a key has been actuated [...] > how could I know the spacebar registered properly Which specifically means when the key is pressed, not when you are on it / reached it, which I believe is the thing causing the slow down of our speed.