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> the majority of law enforcement are there to do the right thing for the right reason What is the right thing? Does it extend to trying to prevent others from
by afandian 12y ago
> the majority of law enforcement are there to do the right thing for the right reason
What is the right thing? Does it extend to trying to prevent others from doing the wrong thing?
> we need to be careful to not send the impression that we should assume there is an assumed potential for wrong-doing in every person with a uniform
Hasn't history and psychology shown us again and again that wrongdoing in aggregate is almost inevitable when you get a group of humans together? We should absolutely assume that where there's a high chance of a concentration of power there will be abuse somewhere, and proactively head it off.
> send the impression
That's a tricky one. If we actually do presume that there will be wrongdoing in aggregate, how do we avoid demotivating the 'good ones'? There must be a way to encourage the good ones to uphold standards and chuck out the 'bad apples' without feeling like they're under attack.
"Rough Rides" [0] seem to be standard practice. I can't imagine any person with a shred of humanity thinking this is an acceptable way to treat another human, or that it wouldn't end up killing someone. But the fact is that it's commonplace, hasn't been stopped, the people that do it haven't been challenged or punished by the people who should know better.
I've even seen the point of view expressed that this is 'standard procedure' so the driver shouldn't be singled out.
Just saying 'it's only a few bad apples' perpetuates this situation. It's not an American thing, we have it in Europe too, and, I'm sure round the world. It's just down to statistics and innate human behaviour. When we have high-profile cases like this, we have a choice of saying 'it's a shame someone else died at the hands of some police, let's put them on desk duty' or saying 'is this systemic? how many days until it happens again?'.
Unless we tackle that, we're always going to have abuses. Pretending otherwise is condemning another generation of black people / Irish / travellers / indigenous / homosexuals / tomorrow's minority group to more of the same.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_ride_(police_practice) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_ride_(police_practice)
- christianbryant 12y agoI don't disagree with your endpoint, but I also wasn't suggesting we do nothing. I am actually part of a small group of more "libertarian" Americans who believe in the absolute rights of the individual person over whatever dominant government, religion, etc, currently hold the monopoly on any given idea (LGBT persons should not marry, for example). At risk of betraying my own beliefs, I'll defend a person's personal rights up to the point they threaten to harm (definition of that always in flux) other people and/or society. However, when I see a police officer, I want to believe they are the "good guy" while still maintaining healthy caution. That means I would hope that those around me do, too, rather than attacking the officer, or running from the officer, as both put me and other innocent people in danger. We should never allow any criminal activity that is performed toward needlessly harming others or that infringes upon their rights maliciously. I'm trying to be careful about how I word that because there are many things in America that are currently considered criminal that I support and feel are necessary because they fight corruption and inequalities that seemingly can not be legally overcome...
- afandian 12y agoI wrote a long reply, then deleted it, but it boils down to: My experience is that all police are polite and helpful, because I'm a white, middle-class (in the British not the American sense) male. My Irish friend's experience has been that all police are racist and will throw you down the stairs given the chance. Some black people's experience is that police are homicidal maniacs. Is one person's experience more important than another's? If that hurts the feelings of a random police officer, I have a difficult time being sympathetic.