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I was really hoping to see more support for OS X API's, personally I'm a lot more interested in porting my Mac desktop app to Windows desktop than any iOS proje

I was really hoping to see more support for OS X API's, personally I'm a lot more interested in porting my Mac desktop app to Windows desktop than any iOS project.

coldtea 11y ago
I don't think they are interested in OS X APIs at all. It's not as if Windows doesn't have tons of native apps in the first place. What they want is to offer a way to get the million of iOS apps into Windows Phone.
- discohead 11y ago
  Agreed, sadly.
- itistoday2 11y ago
  Microsoft would be stupid to not offer to port Cocoa apps. How else are they supposed to convince developers such as myself to even consider buying a PC? With Apple dropping the ball with Yosemite, the opportunity is ripe for Microsoft to compete for quality devs and quality apps.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    This sounds like reasoning from some parallel universe to me. First, Apple hasn't dropped any ball with Yosemite. It's it's as good as it ever was. People have been complaining for every major release since 10.2 how the OS gotten more buggier, etc. Then a couple of point updates come and fix any major new bugs and the stop. Then, sometime around 10.x.6-8 a new version is relased and then they complain for the next release and remember the old one fodly. I have articles and blog posts with similar complaints from 10.5 and 10.7 and 10.8 and 10.9 with the same pattern. Even for 10.6, which was mostly a no-new-features release. Second, even if they had, there's not much value in "offering to port Cocoa apps". Major apps are already cross platform (from Adobe stuff and Eclipse/Idea, to Cubase, Sublime Text and Mathematica, including Office, which MS itselfs makes anyway), and smaller Mac-Only apps don't have much to offer to Windows users, and wouldn't be much outside of the Mac ecosystem anyway. You'd get what, Pixelmator and BBEdit? There are 4-5 established alternatives in Windows for each piece of Mac software.
    - mightykan 11y ago
      This is a case of “works on my machine.” There are serious[1] documented[2] issues[3] with Yosemite[4] that were not there in the previous OS X release, and, after multiple point updates still haven not been fixed. Apple has dropped the ball. The general quality of the OS, apps, integration and fit and finish has decreased tremendously. [1]: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/01/12/why-dns-in-os-x-10-10-is-broken-and-what-you-can-do-to-fix-it/ http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/01/12/why-dns-in-os-x-10-1... [2]: http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/06/windowserver-high-cpu-usage-mac-os-x/ http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/06/windowserver-high-cpu-usage-m... [3]: http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/10/fix-finder-problems-mac-os-x/ http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/10/fix-finder-problems-mac-os-x/ [4]: http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/17/fix-slow-folder-populating-cloudkit-macosx/ http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/17/fix-slow-folder-populating-cl...
      - coldtea 11y ago
        >This is a case of “works on my machine.” Nope, I even have had a couple of issues (wifi related) which were solved in .2 update. But I also know that I had this or that issue everytime since 10.2 when I started using the OS. I also know I had tons of issues in Linux (been using it since 1997) and Windows (since 3.1), and I'm also a programmer, so I don't have BS expectations from something as huge as a complete OS and apps distro. So, it's mostly a case of "have been following this space since 2002, including reading most forums, trade mags and blogs, so have a feel for what people compain about." >There are serious[1] documented[2] issues[3] with Yosemite[4] that were not there in the previous OS X release, and, after multiple point updates still haven not been fixed. Nothing special about those issues you posted. I post below a list of issues for Mavericks (tried to find similar or even the same). I can find for you similar items even down to 10.2, including lamenting articles about "buggiest release ever", etc. As for the "and after multiple point updates still haven not been fixed", first we're at 10.9.3. So multiple is just 3 releases. Usually we get up to 7 or 8. And some even carry over or get fixed in the next version, especially if they don't affect many people. And before dismissing "works for me" casually because of some issues online, note that with a user base in the 100s of millions, even a bug affecting 0.1% (with some weirdo network setup, bad HD sectors, broken hardware, haxies etc), it will still be reported by tens of thousands and appear bigger than it is. Kernel task high cpu in Mavericks: https://www.google.gr/search?q=kernel+process+high+cpu+mavericks&oq=kernel+process+high+cpu+mavericks&aqs=chrome..69i57.7454j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.gr/search?q=kernel+process+high+cpu+maver... Broken DNS resolution in Lion / Mavericks: http://www.makingitscale.com/2011/fix-for-broken-search-domain-resolution-in-osx-lion.html http://www.makingitscale.com/2011/fix-for-broken-search-doma... http://www.eigenspace.org/2011/07/fixing-osx-lion-dns-search-domains/ http://www.eigenspace.org/2011/07/fixing-osx-lion-dns-search... Mavericks Finder bugs: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5467931?start=30&tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5467931?start=30&tstart... http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2014/20140213_1-Mavericks-bugs.html http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2014/20140213_1-Maverick... Mavericks Slow Finder: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5505550?tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5505550?tstart=0 http://osxdaily.com/2013/11/13/fix-finder-slow-high-cpu-use-mac-os-x/ http://osxdaily.com/2013/11/13/fix-finder-slow-high-cpu-use-... http://www.tweaking4all.com/os-tips-and-tricks/macosx-tips-and-tricks/fix-slow-mavericks/ http://www.tweaking4all.com/os-tips-and-tricks/macosx-tips-a... http://www.reddit.com/r/osx/comments/1pj5cc/finder_very_slow_to_display_files_within_folders/ http://www.reddit.com/r/osx/comments/1pj5cc/finder_very_slow... More bugs for Mavericks: http://www.wired.com/2013/10/mavericks-issues-and-fixes/ http://www.wired.com/2013/10/mavericks-issues-and-fixes/ http://www.macworld.com/article/2059577/bugs-and-fixes-a-roundup-of-mavericks-troubleshooting-tips.html http://www.macworld.com/article/2059577/bugs-and-fixes-a-rou... 10.5 Finder Data Loss bug: http://www.macintouch.com/leopard/movebug.html http://www.macintouch.com/leopard/movebug.html
RandallBrown 11y ago
UIKit always felt like a grown up version of Cocoa to me. Whenever I go back to writing Mac apps, I wish it was more like iOS development. Microsoft is now making it possible to turn iOS apps into desktop apps (as well as phone and tablet apps) which is actually pretty interesting. It won't help as much for porting your current mac desktop app, but it certainly is an interesting idea.
- mpweiher 11y ago
  > UIKit always felt like a grown up version of Cocoa to me. Funny..to me it always feels like Cocoa's slightly disabled kid brother. Curious, what makes it feel "grown up" to you?
  - RandallBrown 11y ago
    It's been awhile since I've done Cocoa, so the specifics are a bit fuzzy. Stuff like CGRectMake makes more sense than NSMakeRect. I also enjoy the pre made view controllers.

I was really hoping to see more support for OS X API's, personally I'm a lot more interested in porting my Mac desktop app to Windows desktop than any iOS project.

coldtea 11y ago

I don't think they are interested in OS X APIs at all. It's not as if Windows doesn't have tons of native apps in the first place. What they want is to offer a way to get the million of iOS apps into Windows Phone.

discohead 11y ago
Agreed, sadly.
itistoday2 11y ago
Microsoft would be stupid to not offer to port Cocoa apps. How else are they supposed to convince developers such as myself to even consider buying a PC? With Apple dropping the ball with Yosemite, the opportunity is ripe for Microsoft to compete for quality devs and quality apps.
- coldtea 11y ago
  This sounds like reasoning from some parallel universe to me. First, Apple hasn't dropped any ball with Yosemite. It's it's as good as it ever was. People have been complaining for every major release since 10.2 how the OS gotten more buggier, etc. Then a couple of point updates come and fix any major new bugs and the stop. Then, sometime around 10.x.6-8 a new version is relased and then they complain for the next release and remember the old one fodly. I have articles and blog posts with similar complaints from 10.5 and 10.7 and 10.8 and 10.9 with the same pattern. Even for 10.6, which was mostly a no-new-features release. Second, even if they had, there's not much value in "offering to port Cocoa apps". Major apps are already cross platform (from Adobe stuff and Eclipse/Idea, to Cubase, Sublime Text and Mathematica, including Office, which MS itselfs makes anyway), and smaller Mac-Only apps don't have much to offer to Windows users, and wouldn't be much outside of the Mac ecosystem anyway. You'd get what, Pixelmator and BBEdit? There are 4-5 established alternatives in Windows for each piece of Mac software.
  - mightykan 11y ago
    This is a case of “works on my machine.” There are serious[1] documented[2] issues[3] with Yosemite[4] that were not there in the previous OS X release, and, after multiple point updates still haven not been fixed. Apple has dropped the ball. The general quality of the OS, apps, integration and fit and finish has decreased tremendously. [1]: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/01/12/why-dns-in-os-x-10-10-is-broken-and-what-you-can-do-to-fix-it/ http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/01/12/why-dns-in-os-x-10-1... [2]: http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/06/windowserver-high-cpu-usage-mac-os-x/ http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/06/windowserver-high-cpu-usage-m... [3]: http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/10/fix-finder-problems-mac-os-x/ http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/10/fix-finder-problems-mac-os-x/ [4]: http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/17/fix-slow-folder-populating-cloudkit-macosx/ http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/17/fix-slow-folder-populating-cl...
    - coldtea 11y ago
      >This is a case of “works on my machine.” Nope, I even have had a couple of issues (wifi related) which were solved in .2 update. But I also know that I had this or that issue everytime since 10.2 when I started using the OS. I also know I had tons of issues in Linux (been using it since 1997) and Windows (since 3.1), and I'm also a programmer, so I don't have BS expectations from something as huge as a complete OS and apps distro. So, it's mostly a case of "have been following this space since 2002, including reading most forums, trade mags and blogs, so have a feel for what people compain about." >There are serious[1] documented[2] issues[3] with Yosemite[4] that were not there in the previous OS X release, and, after multiple point updates still haven not been fixed. Nothing special about those issues you posted. I post below a list of issues for Mavericks (tried to find similar or even the same). I can find for you similar items even down to 10.2, including lamenting articles about "buggiest release ever", etc. As for the "and after multiple point updates still haven not been fixed", first we're at 10.9.3. So multiple is just 3 releases. Usually we get up to 7 or 8. And some even carry over or get fixed in the next version, especially if they don't affect many people. And before dismissing "works for me" casually because of some issues online, note that with a user base in the 100s of millions, even a bug affecting 0.1% (with some weirdo network setup, bad HD sectors, broken hardware, haxies etc), it will still be reported by tens of thousands and appear bigger than it is. Kernel task high cpu in Mavericks: https://www.google.gr/search?q=kernel+process+high+cpu+mavericks&oq=kernel+process+high+cpu+mavericks&aqs=chrome..69i57.7454j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.gr/search?q=kernel+process+high+cpu+maver... Broken DNS resolution in Lion / Mavericks: http://www.makingitscale.com/2011/fix-for-broken-search-domain-resolution-in-osx-lion.html http://www.makingitscale.com/2011/fix-for-broken-search-doma... http://www.eigenspace.org/2011/07/fixing-osx-lion-dns-search-domains/ http://www.eigenspace.org/2011/07/fixing-osx-lion-dns-search... Mavericks Finder bugs: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5467931?start=30&tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5467931?start=30&tstart... http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2014/20140213_1-Mavericks-bugs.html http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2014/20140213_1-Maverick... Mavericks Slow Finder: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5505550?tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5505550?tstart=0 http://osxdaily.com/2013/11/13/fix-finder-slow-high-cpu-use-mac-os-x/ http://osxdaily.com/2013/11/13/fix-finder-slow-high-cpu-use-... http://www.tweaking4all.com/os-tips-and-tricks/macosx-tips-and-tricks/fix-slow-mavericks/ http://www.tweaking4all.com/os-tips-and-tricks/macosx-tips-a... http://www.reddit.com/r/osx/comments/1pj5cc/finder_very_slow_to_display_files_within_folders/ http://www.reddit.com/r/osx/comments/1pj5cc/finder_very_slow... More bugs for Mavericks: http://www.wired.com/2013/10/mavericks-issues-and-fixes/ http://www.wired.com/2013/10/mavericks-issues-and-fixes/ http://www.macworld.com/article/2059577/bugs-and-fixes-a-roundup-of-mavericks-troubleshooting-tips.html http://www.macworld.com/article/2059577/bugs-and-fixes-a-rou... 10.5 Finder Data Loss bug: http://www.macintouch.com/leopard/movebug.html http://www.macintouch.com/leopard/movebug.html

RandallBrown 11y ago

UIKit always felt like a grown up version of Cocoa to me. Whenever I go back to writing Mac apps, I wish it was more like iOS development. Microsoft is now making it possible to turn iOS apps into desktop apps (as well as phone and tablet apps) which is actually pretty interesting. It won't help as much for porting your current mac desktop app, but it certainly is an interesting idea.

mpweiher 11y ago
> UIKit always felt like a grown up version of Cocoa to me. Funny..to me it always feels like Cocoa's slightly disabled kid brother. Curious, what makes it feel "grown up" to you?
- RandallBrown 11y ago
  It's been awhile since I've done Cocoa, so the specifics are a bit fuzzy. Stuff like CGRectMake makes more sense than NSMakeRect. I also enjoy the pre made view controllers.