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You vote. If you don't like the way other people are voting, change their minds. If you can't change their minds then you lost fairly. Throwing people in jai

by skwirl 11y ago

You vote. If you don't like the way other people are voting, change their minds. If you can't change their minds then you lost fairly. Throwing people in jail over things that were repeatedly ruled legal and done in good faith is not something that we do in the United States, and is not a can of worms you want to open. The unfortunate truth is that the great majority of Americans are NOT ignorant. They are aware that we were torturing people. Most of them either support what happened or just don't really care that much about it. If that bothers you, try to change it.

DyslexicAtheist 11y ago
but what do you do if you disagree with the US as a foreigner in a moderate country? unfortunately the only option you have left is to decide not to visit the US ever (regardless if you have friends living there). because the risk you face by traveling to the US and getting questioned for why you posted which tweets is simply not worth it. anyone who disagrees as a foreigner with US policy has been made automatically a suspect by US legislation. Your mentality is black and white and your system is Orwellian. Sorry.
- skwirl 11y ago
  You and I face that risk whenever we travel abroad no matter what country we are from or travelling to. I have never imagined that I have the same protection as citizens whenever I have traveled abroad. We are in large part protected by diplomatic relationships between our home country and the country we are travelling to, as well as our host country's desire to maintain a positive reputation for tourism and business. If you're really afraid, don't come here. But your absence won't even be noticed because your fears are not truly shared by many, or they would have stopped coming a decade ago.
hackuser 11y ago
> Throwing people in jail over things that were repeatedly ruled legal and done in good faith Were these actions ever were ruled upon by a court. There was a memo by an executive branch lawyer, but there is a reason we have separation of powers. It is well known that kidnapping and torture are illegal and morally wrong. Speaking generally about many people, I do not think they acted in good faith; they were doing what they thought they could get away with.
bcg1 11y ago
"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."

by skwirl 11y ago

DyslexicAtheist 11y ago

but what do you do if you disagree with the US as a foreigner in a moderate country? unfortunately the only option you have left is to decide not to visit the US ever (regardless if you have friends living there). because the risk you face by traveling to the US and getting questioned for why you posted which tweets is simply not worth it. anyone who disagrees as a foreigner with US policy has been made automatically a suspect by US legislation. Your mentality is black and white and your system is Orwellian. Sorry.

skwirl 11y ago
You and I face that risk whenever we travel abroad no matter what country we are from or travelling to. I have never imagined that I have the same protection as citizens whenever I have traveled abroad. We are in large part protected by diplomatic relationships between our home country and the country we are travelling to, as well as our host country's desire to maintain a positive reputation for tourism and business. If you're really afraid, don't come here. But your absence won't even be noticed because your fears are not truly shared by many, or they would have stopped coming a decade ago.

hackuser 11y ago

> Throwing people in jail over things that were repeatedly ruled legal and done in good faith Were these actions ever were ruled upon by a court. There was a memo by an executive branch lawyer, but there is a reason we have separation of powers. It is well known that kidnapping and torture are illegal and morally wrong. Speaking generally about many people, I do not think they acted in good faith; they were doing what they thought they could get away with.

bcg1 11y ago

"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."