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"Pretty sure they already can, you do not come into work drunk, for example." We don't have medical alcohol, so it's not the same thing. "You already pay lots

"Pretty sure they already can, you do not come into work drunk, for example." We don't have medical alcohol, so it's not the same thing. "You already pay lots and lots and lots and lots of money to drug-war enforcement efforts. The cost of health problems related to drugs would be minimal compared to this." The costs can't really be calculated at this point. We don't really know how many more or less people will need medical care after the legalization of many drugs. However, in my experience, it will most likely be many more than we estimate now. "Lots of conservatives seem to want all the benefits of drug legalisation (reduced tax bills) without any responsibility (helping out your fellow man)." That's not how taxes work. Yes, we will have have more taxes, but they will be spent on something..and we will always need more. The benefit is that our fellow man gets the option now of recreational drug use without going to jail. "Further, those taxes help keep you safe. You want to be robbed by an addict or do you want to give a few cents to the free-heroin-for-addicts program that keeps them from committing crime and helps them become contributing members of society?" I'm unclear why the reason I need to legalize drugs is to appease a criminal from not robbing me. It's answers like this that make me glad I have multiple guns at my disposal to protect my home and my family. If heroin is as bad as you describe (creating addicted criminals that want to rob me), why again should it be legalized? You aren't really making a good case, sorry.

Nursie 11y ago
>> We don't have medical alcohol, so it's not the same thing. Yah, we do. Addicts in the UK are given maintenance IIRC. Alcohol is also used in cases of methanol poisoning and various other emergency treatments, though that's not quite the same thing I guess. >> We don't really know how many more or less people will need medical care after the legalization of many drugs. However, in my experience, it will most likely be many more than we estimate now. It'll still be cheaper than the prisons, the militarised police etc etc. Of course, like you, I'm not naive enough to think those things will just go away. >> I'm unclear why the reason I need to legalize drugs is to appease a criminal from not robbing me. >> If heroin is as bad as you describe (creating addicted criminals that want to rob me), why again should it be legalized? Legalising would help you be less likely to have a criminal rob you by not pushing up the prices of their addiction to the point they feel they have to do this. But we're talking here about your demand that we not fund any healthcare or rehab once we have legalised/decriminalised. This is all part of the picture of helping people to recover and contribute to society rather than casting them out and saying "you fix it", which has a long history of not working. I mean, you're just kind-of OK with legalisation, not outraged at the billions spent in your name on making everything worse, but you're demanding that not one red-cent be spent on helping people? Sick dude. >> You aren't really making a good case, sorry. There are not many cases that can be made when someone has already decided that everyone else in society is not their problem.

Nursie 11y ago

>> We don't have medical alcohol, so it's not the same thing. Yah, we do. Addicts in the UK are given maintenance IIRC. Alcohol is also used in cases of methanol poisoning and various other emergency treatments, though that's not quite the same thing I guess. >> We don't really know how many more or less people will need medical care after the legalization of many drugs. However, in my experience, it will most likely be many more than we estimate now. It'll still be cheaper than the prisons, the militarised police etc etc. Of course, like you, I'm not naive enough to think those things will just go away. >> I'm unclear why the reason I need to legalize drugs is to appease a criminal from not robbing me. >> If heroin is as bad as you describe (creating addicted criminals that want to rob me), why again should it be legalized? Legalising would help you be less likely to have a criminal rob you by not pushing up the prices of their addiction to the point they feel they have to do this. But we're talking here about your demand that we not fund any healthcare or rehab once we have legalised/decriminalised. This is all part of the picture of helping people to recover and contribute to society rather than casting them out and saying "you fix it", which has a long history of not working. I mean, you're just kind-of OK with legalisation, not outraged at the billions spent in your name on making everything worse, but you're demanding that not one red-cent be spent on helping people? Sick dude. >> You aren't really making a good case, sorry. There are not many cases that can be made when someone has already decided that everyone else in society is not their problem.