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What makes me ill is people who think it was exclusive to Bush's term.

imglorp 11y ago
I think Bush had the audacity to push through extraordinary measures initially. He was responsible for a number of Bill of Rights attacks: Habeas Corpus, search and seizure, 1A, Gitmo, and this whole rendition thing. The author of the Patriot act has since come forward and indicated he had no intention of having it abused in scope as we're seeing. PA was not intended to quash dissent nor pursue common criminals. Obama ran on a platform of repealing PA and restoring the Bill of Rights. Of course, he did a quiet 180 on the issue shortly after entering office and has since issued more secret executive orders than any other president. It makes one wonder what happens to Presidents after they're sworn in. Does someone read them in on the facts of life? Or are they simply always dirtbags whose principles are for sale?
- atom-morgan 11y ago
  > It makes one wonder what happens to Presidents after they're sworn in. Does someone read them in on the facts of life? Or are they simply always dirtbags whose principles are for sale? This is precisely why I had someone recently tell me they'd like to see Ron Paul get elected. He's someone who has been relatively consistent on his views throughout his career as a politician - often to his detriment. They said if he got elected and also did the 180, it'd surely be the nail in the coffin on the "facts of life" reading you mentioned being a reality.
  - theorique 11y ago
    They said if he got elected and also did the 180, it'd surely be the nail in the coffin on the "facts of life" reading you mentioned being a reality. You mean that he would have been corrupted? Or that there were secret truths that Presidents have access to that change their actions from what they claim in advance that they would do 'as President'.
    - atom-morgan 11y ago
      Neither. They were implying that in the case of a 180 the President is a puppet.

I think Bush had the audacity to push through extraordinary measures initially. He was responsible for a number of Bill of Rights attacks: Habeas Corpus, search and seizure, 1A, Gitmo, and this whole rendition thing. The author of the Patriot act has since come forward and indicated he had no intention of having it abused in scope as we're seeing. PA was not intended to quash dissent nor pursue common criminals. Obama ran on a platform of repealing PA and restoring the Bill of Rights. Of course, he did a quiet 180 on the issue shortly after entering office and has since issued more secret executive orders than any other president. It makes one wonder what happens to Presidents after they're sworn in. Does someone read them in on the facts of life? Or are they simply always dirtbags whose principles are for sale?

atom-morgan 11y ago
> It makes one wonder what happens to Presidents after they're sworn in. Does someone read them in on the facts of life? Or are they simply always dirtbags whose principles are for sale? This is precisely why I had someone recently tell me they'd like to see Ron Paul get elected. He's someone who has been relatively consistent on his views throughout his career as a politician - often to his detriment. They said if he got elected and also did the 180, it'd surely be the nail in the coffin on the "facts of life" reading you mentioned being a reality.
- theorique 11y ago
  They said if he got elected and also did the 180, it'd surely be the nail in the coffin on the "facts of life" reading you mentioned being a reality. You mean that he would have been corrupted? Or that there were secret truths that Presidents have access to that change their actions from what they claim in advance that they would do 'as President'.
  - atom-morgan 11y ago
    Neither. They were implying that in the case of a 180 the President is a puppet.