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Scalyr - Frontend, Backend, Devops Engineers - San Francisco Peninsula - $110k-$150k+, >1% equity This thread could probably be shorter if they titled it "Who

by snewman 11y ago

Scalyr - Frontend, Backend, Devops Engineers - San Francisco Peninsula - $110k-$150k+, >1% equity This thread could probably be shorter if they titled it "Who isn't hiring"? But if you like the idea of being part of a small, tight team building envelope-pushing technology, please read on. We're rebuilding server and log monitoring from the ground up, bringing Google Search levels of power and responsiveness to operations visibility. We have a small team (lots of room for personal growth), traction, plenty of runway, a low-stress culture, and lots of meaty problems to tackle. Be part of an awesome founding team (including the cofounder / lead engineer from Writely -- now Google Docs). We’re aiming high, rethinking everything from how logs are stored to how engineers interact with their tools. Come help us figure it out! https://www.scalyr.com/jobs https://www.scalyr.com/jobs, or I'd love to hear from you personally (contact info in my profile).

Decade 11y ago
Here’s why I responded so badly to your rejection last month: You advertise “lots of room for personal growth,” and “Frontend, backend, junior, senior – if you have talent and passion you’ll fit in.” I’m currently severely underemployed doing IT stuff at a small organization, and I’m trying to switch to a development role. So, I applied for your company, and got rejected because I’m doing IT stuff. That was not just a rejection. That was a condemnation. Big organizations don’t want me for IT because I haven’t been doing IT for big organizations. Small organizations can’t afford to pay me a living wage. IT contractor organizations want me to own my own car before hiring me. By pigeonholing me in IT, you were condemning me to underemployment and poverty. I am a developer, and I want a job doing development.
- snewman 11y ago
  I understand that your job search has been frustrating, and I'm sorry you felt misled by our careers page. I'd prefer not to comment on our decision in this public forum, but feel free to reach out to me offline (you have my contact information of course) if you'd like to discuss further.
  - Decade 11y ago
    Then you should change your job description so you can quit wasting everybody’s time, having to reject candidates who don’t fit your mysterious criteria. Also, “good fit” is one of the reasons our industry is so stuck in white male hegemony. Just saying.
    - seattle_spring 11y ago
      The nature of your responses suggest you probably weren't rejected solely for your work history.
      - Decade 11y ago
        I like to think that I was cordial and professional up until the rejection. After that, well, I don’t have much to lose, so I might as well call out what I saw to be systematic bad behavior. It was cathartic, and I believe in the duty of individuals to identify and fix what is broken in society. It’s also why most companies reject using impersonal form letters sent from no-reply email addresses. I like to think that Steve chose based on his guess about whether I could do the job. Nothing personal. But Steve asked for passion, so he got passion. Seriously, change the job description so it more accurately describes what you’re looking for.
        binxbolling 11y ago
        OK, I'm really reticent to respond, but I've seen a few of your posts and feel weirdly compelled to help you. I love that you have strong opinions on recruiting/hiring, you do have passion, and you're clearly a very principled guy. I have no doubt that you're probably a very nice, decent person in real life. However, you are absolutely going about job-hunting all wrong. You don't want to believe this, and I get it—finding work often really sucks. But you're coming off really badly and only exacerbating the vicious cycle. You need to treat this like a programming problem: you've been trying the same code for months (years?), and it's still buggy as all hell. Instead of continuing to tinker with that code, write something else and attack the problem differently. Spamming Google is not a viable strategy. Lashing out at employers in these threads is not a viable strategy. Constantly talking about how badly you need more money (however true) is not a viable strategy. Look man, you don't know me from Adam. You have no obligation to listen to me. But I'm telling you 100% that a huge reason you're not getting offers is because of your attitude, not your aptitude. You can either read this and fume (I know I would for awhile), or read this and fume and then make a drastic change. When you wake up tomorrow, redo your resume, re-think your cover letters, rejigger your entire approach to job hunting. You may even find this attitude shift pays dividends elsewhere in your life, too.

by snewman 11y ago

Decade 11y ago

Here’s why I responded so badly to your rejection last month: You advertise “lots of room for personal growth,” and “Frontend, backend, junior, senior – if you have talent and passion you’ll fit in.” I’m currently severely underemployed doing IT stuff at a small organization, and I’m trying to switch to a development role. So, I applied for your company, and got rejected because I’m doing IT stuff. That was not just a rejection. That was a condemnation. Big organizations don’t want me for IT because I haven’t been doing IT for big organizations. Small organizations can’t afford to pay me a living wage. IT contractor organizations want me to own my own car before hiring me. By pigeonholing me in IT, you were condemning me to underemployment and poverty. I am a developer, and I want a job doing development.

snewman 11y ago
I understand that your job search has been frustrating, and I'm sorry you felt misled by our careers page. I'd prefer not to comment on our decision in this public forum, but feel free to reach out to me offline (you have my contact information of course) if you'd like to discuss further.
- Decade 11y ago
  Then you should change your job description so you can quit wasting everybody’s time, having to reject candidates who don’t fit your mysterious criteria. Also, “good fit” is one of the reasons our industry is so stuck in white male hegemony. Just saying.
  - seattle_spring 11y ago
    The nature of your responses suggest you probably weren't rejected solely for your work history.
    - Decade 11y ago
      I like to think that I was cordial and professional up until the rejection. After that, well, I don’t have much to lose, so I might as well call out what I saw to be systematic bad behavior. It was cathartic, and I believe in the duty of individuals to identify and fix what is broken in society. It’s also why most companies reject using impersonal form letters sent from no-reply email addresses. I like to think that Steve chose based on his guess about whether I could do the job. Nothing personal. But Steve asked for passion, so he got passion. Seriously, change the job description so it more accurately describes what you’re looking for.
      - binxbolling 11y ago
        OK, I'm really reticent to respond, but I've seen a few of your posts and feel weirdly compelled to help you. I love that you have strong opinions on recruiting/hiring, you do have passion, and you're clearly a very principled guy. I have no doubt that you're probably a very nice, decent person in real life. However, you are absolutely going about job-hunting all wrong. You don't want to believe this, and I get it—finding work often really sucks. But you're coming off really badly and only exacerbating the vicious cycle. You need to treat this like a programming problem: you've been trying the same code for months (years?), and it's still buggy as all hell. Instead of continuing to tinker with that code, write something else and attack the problem differently. Spamming Google is not a viable strategy. Lashing out at employers in these threads is not a viable strategy. Constantly talking about how badly you need more money (however true) is not a viable strategy. Look man, you don't know me from Adam. You have no obligation to listen to me. But I'm telling you 100% that a huge reason you're not getting offers is because of your attitude, not your aptitude. You can either read this and fume (I know I would for awhile), or read this and fume and then make a drastic change. When you wake up tomorrow, redo your resume, re-think your cover letters, rejigger your entire approach to job hunting. You may even find this attitude shift pays dividends elsewhere in your life, too.