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That you (and "most people") would prioritize being late for work over the livelihoods and suffering of others is why the system isn't being changed. Instead o

That you (and "most people") would prioritize being late for work over the livelihoods and suffering of others is why the system isn't being changed. Instead of just seeing "riots are happening" the goal is for more people to ask "why are riots happening" -- with hopes of unveiling blatant injustices within our system. That said, engaging in the conversation here is exactly a product of the riots, and exactly what is needed to effect change.

gambiting 11y ago
Well, I can only relate to this from my own perspective. In my own home town, there were massive protests over closing of a local coal mine, just last year. The problem is, that in my opinion miners are already the most privileged group of workers in the whole country - they are paid well above the average, they get to retire after only 15 years of work, they are all unionized and impossible to fire no matter what they do, they pay themselves huge bonuses 3 times a year, and closing the mine would result in them getting a years-worth of salary as a severance pay. That's all despite the fact that our local coal mine has been bleeding money for years. There was no profit shown for almost a decade, they have resisted any plans for reforms or plans to sell the mine to private investors. Not to even mention that the management was hugely corrupt, consisting of family of family and friends of friends, where you could get a great position just by knowing the right people. When it has finally reached the point where the mine could not possibly operate any further and had to be closed down, hundreds of those miners went on the streets, blocking traffic, burning tires, destroying local shops and tipping cars. As someone who lives in the same city - I cannot possibly sympathize with those people. They behaved like the worst mob, holding everyone else hostage just so they could remain in their comfy job with huge benefits. I do understand that Baltimore is not the same. Not even remotely. But rioters who destroy other people's property are not gaining themselves any favours.
- kajecounterhack 11y ago
  > I do understand that Baltimore is not the same. Not even remotely. But rioters who destroy other people's property are not gaining themselves any favours. It seems like you've analyzed the motives and privilege of the rioters in that case, which is exactly what you should do. Just like rioters after sports games (e.g SF Giants riots, Seattle Seahawks riots) are not OK, it sounds to me like your hometown's protests were poorly motivated and terrible. However, just as you state here they are NOT EQUIVALENT. Consider their privilege and motives, and it's pretty clear. That's why these Baltimore riots are important and effective and distinct. I'm not saying people / establishments harmed in the riots deserve to be. But I am also saying the riots as an event should not be simply decried but understood.
- tomtoise 11y ago
  London boy here. I can completely empathize. My views on Rioting have been completely tainted by the looting and destruction that went on in 2011 over the shooting of Mike Duggan (Which I personally believe was 'justified' - the thug had a gun on him and was suspected to be on his way to commit a crime, but that's getting off point). I saw the destruction caused, had 'friends' on social media (no longer, obviously) who were bragging about what they had looted. There was absolutely no aim or order to these riots, a lot of independent shops were trashed and looted, people lost livelihoods and for what. I am acutely aware of my inherent distaste for rioting, I understand that was just one riot and they are not all the same, but it has given me a subconsciously dismissive attitude to riots as a criminal element abusing unrest to get away with robbery and assault.

gambiting 11y ago

Well, I can only relate to this from my own perspective. In my own home town, there were massive protests over closing of a local coal mine, just last year. The problem is, that in my opinion miners are already the most privileged group of workers in the whole country - they are paid well above the average, they get to retire after only 15 years of work, they are all unionized and impossible to fire no matter what they do, they pay themselves huge bonuses 3 times a year, and closing the mine would result in them getting a years-worth of salary as a severance pay. That's all despite the fact that our local coal mine has been bleeding money for years. There was no profit shown for almost a decade, they have resisted any plans for reforms or plans to sell the mine to private investors. Not to even mention that the management was hugely corrupt, consisting of family of family and friends of friends, where you could get a great position just by knowing the right people. When it has finally reached the point where the mine could not possibly operate any further and had to be closed down, hundreds of those miners went on the streets, blocking traffic, burning tires, destroying local shops and tipping cars. As someone who lives in the same city - I cannot possibly sympathize with those people. They behaved like the worst mob, holding everyone else hostage just so they could remain in their comfy job with huge benefits. I do understand that Baltimore is not the same. Not even remotely. But rioters who destroy other people's property are not gaining themselves any favours.

kajecounterhack 11y ago
> I do understand that Baltimore is not the same. Not even remotely. But rioters who destroy other people's property are not gaining themselves any favours. It seems like you've analyzed the motives and privilege of the rioters in that case, which is exactly what you should do. Just like rioters after sports games (e.g SF Giants riots, Seattle Seahawks riots) are not OK, it sounds to me like your hometown's protests were poorly motivated and terrible. However, just as you state here they are NOT EQUIVALENT. Consider their privilege and motives, and it's pretty clear. That's why these Baltimore riots are important and effective and distinct. I'm not saying people / establishments harmed in the riots deserve to be. But I am also saying the riots as an event should not be simply decried but understood.
tomtoise 11y ago
London boy here. I can completely empathize. My views on Rioting have been completely tainted by the looting and destruction that went on in 2011 over the shooting of Mike Duggan (Which I personally believe was 'justified' - the thug had a gun on him and was suspected to be on his way to commit a crime, but that's getting off point). I saw the destruction caused, had 'friends' on social media (no longer, obviously) who were bragging about what they had looted. There was absolutely no aim or order to these riots, a lot of independent shops were trashed and looted, people lost livelihoods and for what. I am acutely aware of my inherent distaste for rioting, I understand that was just one riot and they are not all the same, but it has given me a subconsciously dismissive attitude to riots as a criminal element abusing unrest to get away with robbery and assault.