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Conley at one point argued that companies like Apple are protecting "those who rape, defraud, assault, or even kill" with their encryption policies. Isn't this

by sbov 12y ago

Conley at one point argued that companies like Apple are protecting "those who rape, defraud, assault, or even kill" with their encryption policies. Isn't this is sort of like saying laws are protecting those who rape, defraud, assault, or even kill?

colinhowe 12y ago
I read this as a missed opportunity to say "gun manufacturers are aiding those who rape, defraud, assault, or even kill, with their manufacturing policies".
- pjc50 12y ago
  Round about the first crypto wars, in the days of "this T-shirt is a munition", people talked about trying to get crypto classified under the 2nd amendment, as it would then enjoy much stronger protection than the 1st amendment.
  - 0942v8653 12y ago
    … and the xkcd: https://www.xkcd.com/504/ https://www.xkcd.com/504/
- hga 12y ago
  Well, the flip side is that we on the pro-gun side can make a solid case that guns also aid those who others try to rape, assault or even kill (but of course not defraud) by, for example, providing an equalizer to the physically weaker. E.g. I couldn't help but notice that the members of the mandatory class for my state's concealed carry permit where strongly weighted towards the older. Encryption backdoors at best do nothing to help against private actors wishing physical harm on people, and the death toll of those killed by governments and government aided private actors (for the US, include KKK types including or aided by local law enforcement) suggests we don't want to give this sort of power to governments.
jgeorge 12y ago
We could put so many more criminals behind bars if it weren't for those pesky 4th and 5th amendments.
GBond 12y ago
In the hearing video, Conley also gives a response of what is essentially "I'm not a technologist but... Murica!! RAH! RAH! we sent someone to the moon!" to the policy question of a Golden Key.

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Conley at one point argued that companies like Apple are protecting "those who rape, defraud, assault, or even kill" with their encryption policies. Isn't this

by sbov 12y ago

colinhowe 12y ago
I read this as a missed opportunity to say "gun manufacturers are aiding those who rape, defraud, assault, or even kill, with their manufacturing policies".
- pjc50 12y ago
  Round about the first crypto wars, in the days of "this T-shirt is a munition", people talked about trying to get crypto classified under the 2nd amendment, as it would then enjoy much stronger protection than the 1st amendment.
  - 0942v8653 12y ago
    … and the xkcd: https://www.xkcd.com/504/ https://www.xkcd.com/504/
- hga 12y ago
  Well, the flip side is that we on the pro-gun side can make a solid case that guns also aid those who others try to rape, assault or even kill (but of course not defraud) by, for example, providing an equalizer to the physically weaker. E.g. I couldn't help but notice that the members of the mandatory class for my state's concealed carry permit where strongly weighted towards the older. Encryption backdoors at best do nothing to help against private actors wishing physical harm on people, and the death toll of those killed by governments and government aided private actors (for the US, include KKK types including or aided by local law enforcement) suggests we don't want to give this sort of power to governments.
jgeorge 12y ago
We could put so many more criminals behind bars if it weren't for those pesky 4th and 5th amendments.
GBond 12y ago
In the hearing video, Conley also gives a response of what is essentially "I'm not a technologist but... Murica!! RAH! RAH! we sent someone to the moon!" to the policy question of a Golden Key.