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Tesla Motors Livestream
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- Cshelton 11y agoHm, they really keep the start of their press conferences a "mystery". It's pretty blunt and straight forward. I like it.
- astrocat 11y agoIt'll be interesting to see how this is pitched and what it's price point is... I'm still not convinced that energy arbitrage is profitable enough for individual homes given the current cost of the storage.
- obstinate 11y agoI'm curious if they'll be indemnifying homeowners for fires originating in the battery pack. Anyway, if it can clearly save me money and is not incredibly expensive up-front, I'll likely get one. Even if you actively conserve, electricity is decently expensive over the long run.
- NeutronBoy 11y ago> I'm curious if they'll be indemnifying homeowners for fires originating in the battery pack. Why would they? I would have thought it's no different from any other household appliance.
- TheSpiceIsLife 11y agoPresumably they're using a stable form of lithium ion battery, does anyone know? Maybe something similar to A123 Systems' lithium iron phosphate?
- greglindahl 11y agoIf only Tesla had experience with batteries... wait! They ship cars! Electric cars! With a lot more battery history than A123! Woah.
- hyperbovine 11y agoIn the same way that very few people buy a $100,000+ Model S to save money on gas, early adopters of this product will be people who are a) well off and b) find the idea of converting their home to 100% renewable electricity appealing.
- astrocat 11y agoI certainly don't doubt there will some, but a battery stuck in the wall of your house isn't nearly as sexy and show-off-able as a sporty car.
- hyperbovine 11y agoI disagree. To some people it is even more sexy.
- ridgeguy 11y agoIt might be. The significant return to individuals should come when they can participate in "ancillary services". These are classes of power contribution or absorption that meet short-term, urgent grid management needs. For one example among many: if grid frequency drops below its nominal 60Hz, that indicates electricity demand exceeds supply, and the kilotons of spinning iron and copper in the generators that supply the grid are slowing down as they contribute rotational kinetic energy to meet demand. Grid management options for this type of demand/supply mismatch include calling for increased output from generators that aren't already at their max, engaging idle-output (but phase synchronized) spinning reserve generators, and buying power from contiguous grids. Power sold under these circumstances can be priced at large multiples of base rates (like net metering rates) because of its high value in stabilizing the grid. Smart grid infrastructure (communications, controllers, bidirectional inverters, etc) will allow grid managers (or localized intelligent algorithms) to draw on residential energy storage for ancillary services. These services should bring residential participants much higher returns than existing simple and not very lucrative net metering schedules. However, I imagine there will be significant legal combat before resident owners of distributed storage are allowed to recover market rates for their ancillary service contributions.
- c1sc0 11y agoWe have a fairly large 100% electric home built in 1980 (after the oil crisis government promised "all's going to be nuclear & cheap real soon now") ... don't underestimate the electricity & heatings costs on large properties
- bitcrusher 11y agoIt really depends on where you live. In places like Arizona, this unit could pay for itself in a matter of a few years. Even if it is only used as a load shifter, it could generate great savings during the summer/hot months.
- tdaltonc 11y agoDid USAToday break their embargo? http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/04/30/tesla-stationary-power/26653817/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/04/30/tesla-st... http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2015/04/30/tesla-gigafactory-success-depends-consumer-demand-lithium-battery-technology/26664541/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2015/04/30/tesl...
- chralieboy 11y agoDoesn't look like it since they don't quote anyone at Tesla officially. This early line especially: "Tesla was expected to discuss its plans at an event in Hawthorne, Calif., near Los Angeles, late Thursday."
- TD-Linux 11y agoFlash player for a live stream, in 2015?
- bhauer 11y agoLiving in Hawthorne, I really should be there in person, but here I am watching it in a low-definition Flash stream. So be it. Just quarantine it in a VM in the same way you would iTunes or any other quasi-malicious software.
- hayksaakian 11y agoprovide a mobile User Agent and it will serve a flash stream. Why this isn't the default, I have no idea.
- maxhaot 11y agoUnfortunately there's still no stable/scalable way to deliver a livestream using HTML5 in chrome. Video on demand yes - live video no. We do it in Safari via HLS. Max (Livestream CEO).
- martin_ 11y agoAm I hitting a bug, or is it really 35 minutes in, and still on intro music?
- grecy 11y agoSame for me... I'm wondering too.. ?
- kumarm 11y agoSeeing the same thing.
- kenrikm 11y agoI'm thinking Elon is late to his own party.
- martin_ 11y agoI wonder if his battery died?
- bhauer 11y agoAt least the thumping techno beat keeps repeating.
- NathanKP 11y agoThey should give those journalists some glowsticks and some MDMA to go with the music.
- chambo622 11y agoThese #royaltyfree #bangers really have me hooked
- vogt 11y agoWhat if this, coupled with that large display wall IS the event?
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- bwha 11y agoYou'd think with this kind of wait someone would have thought to prepare more than 3 minutes of music.
- meritt 11y agoSo I'm guessing it's not a watch since they can't fucking tell time.
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- cagenut 11y agoThe details are up on the site: http://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy http://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy The Powerwall is available in 10kWh, optimized for backup applications or 7kWh optimized for daily use applications. Both can be connected with solar or grid and both can provide backup power. The 10kWh Powerwall is optimized to provide backup when the grid goes down, providing power for your home when you need it most. When paired with solar power, the 7kWh Powerwall can be used in daily cycling to extend the environmental and cost benefits of solar into the night when sunlight is unavailable. Tesla’s selling price to installers is $3500 for 10kWh and $3000 for 7kWh. (Price excludes inverter and installation.) Deliveries begin in late Summer.
- edvinbesic 11y agoDoes anyone have any experience with the pricing here and could elaborate a bit wether or not this is a good deal? This does seem enticing at first glance, but I am unfamiliar with any hidden costs there might be in going with a solar + backup system such as this.
- cbo100 11y ago$3,000 for 7kwh and $3,500 for 10, both sound unbelievable to me. My first thought is there's a missing zero on the end. Recently had a quote in Australia for >$AUD12,000 for a 5kwh battery set. This is going to change everything to do with solar installations I think. Currently battery packs are a rarely taken up optional component.
- rokhayakebe 11y agoSomebody just stated that technically this would feed the average home consumption of energy for about 8 hours. Why is this a good deal, even if it were 24 hours?
- phamilton 11y agoWould the benefits of solar power being extended into the evening be worth it? Back of the envelope calculations: If you can run on solar all night there's potential savings. Assume 10kWh costs $1. If you have a surplus of solar during the day and you fully deplete at night, you theoretically save $365/year. Break even is at 10 years, which coincides with the warranty.
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- simonebrunozzi 11y agoAt least we know that the product will be called Powerwall. On a side note, there might be a reason why MOST live streaming event start late - it provides a sense of scarcity and drives more views. I am not saying that it is happening in this particular case, but I know for a fact that it is a technique sometimes used/tested by professionals; I don't know how often though.
- chetanahuja 11y agoSerious question: Can anybody who's familiar with the energy storage field explain the nature and magnitude of the innovation here. Is this just a large lithium ion battery with some electronics added for charge/discharge control or is it a bigger deal than that? Perhaps the innovation is in packaging and productizing it for the various market segments?
- marze 11y agoThe innovation is all in the price.
- stmfreak 11y agoAnd the marketing.
- spectrum1234 11y ago"Can anybody who's familiar with the energy storage field explain the nature and magnitude of the innovation here." -Not me but clearly this is v1.0 and likely v3.0 is where you will have huge impacts. Similar to a Tesla costing 35k for their v3.0. The giga factory will probably play an even bigger part here as batteries should scale better than cars. So battery v3.0 should be >>> than electric car v3.0.
- tdaltonc 11y agoI think that the driver behind this is to create synergy across tesla and Solar City. Solar City gets requests for storage, and the financing to distribute it, and the giga-factory has a lot of surplus production.
- eatmyshorts 11y agoThe production of wind and solar energy for the consumer is quickly approaching (or, depending on your tax regime, has already passed) the cost of traditional energy from the grid. This is great, and we're starting to see wind and solar become major forms of energy production. The problem with both forms of energy is that the energy generally is not generated when it is consumed, so it must be stored. The problem with storing electricity is it is expensive. The cost of this lithium-based solution finally is cost-competitive with lead-acid. Basically, when the Tesla's Gigafactory is completed (their battery factory, being built near Reno, and expected to be finished in 2017) means that Tesla will be the lowest-cost provider of lithium batteries. Unfortunately, the size of the factory also means that they will have enormous excess capacity. Unless that capacity is utilized, their costs will eat away at their revenues. This is their answer to this situation: they have excess battery capacity, and costs that are about 1/2 that of their nearest competitor, and there is a growing need for energy storage. The real target of this announcement, if you ask me, is ERCOT, the regulatory body governing the Texas power grid. In general, Texas has enough power generation capacity for average load days. Unfortunately, they are running out of power plants for peak power days. Traditionally, these were natural gas-fired generators, while "normal" load was handled by hydroelectric, coal, and nuclear (because natural gas used to be more expensive than the others, and also because natural gas generators can be turned on and off over the course of minutes instead of hours or days, like the others). However, as natural gas prices have dropped, most of these power plants that used to be used for reserve power have been reallocated towards baseline power--this is why Texas has enough baseline power generation capacity, but not enough peak power capacity. ERCOT released a study late last year that indicated that it would be cost effective for ERCOT to deploy regional battery storage devices instead of building new power plants to handle these peak power periods. According to financial estimates, ERCOT's power demands will result in >$4 billion/year in revenue for Tesla. Basically, it would appear that Tesla might end up making more revenue selling these solutions to power companies than they can selling cars to consumers. All of this will lead to economies of scale, further driving down Tesla's costs and entrenching their position as the lowest-cost provider of battery storage. All of this also means that this battery becomes an attractive device for home use, as well. Basically, this is what a lot of people are thinking about when they talk about a "smart grid" that can push power back on the grid during peak demand times. Here's a couple of articles about the ERCOT annoucement: http://www.texastribune.org/2014/12/15/state-law-could-short-circuit-battery-breakthrough/ http://www.texastribune.org/2014/12/15/state-law-could-short... http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060008712 http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060008712
- frakkingcylons 11y agoA notable beta user from the press kit: AWS will be running a 4.8 megawatt hour pilot program with Tesla's batteries in the us-west-1 AZ (Northern California).
- chrisjlee 11y ago"Fundamental change on how the world works"
- b409ba0801cd21 11y agoIs anyone else having the video stop with a buffering spinner and little or no network activity a few seconds after starting the stream? EDIT: I ended up working around it by switching between the two lowest quality settings each time the stream hung. Disabling Adblock Plus on the page and adding Flashblock exceptions had no effect.
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- melted 11y agoHoly shit TSLA is going to go through the roof tomorrow.
- xsmasher 11y agoTesla and Musk have been teasing the contents of the announcement all week; everyone knew what it would be, but not the specs/price. I don't think the stock will be blow up again until we see sales and profit numbers for these new products.
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- mami 11y ago*yap
- etlipman 11y agoNot the only one - where was the tweet explaining his lateness? In the mean time https://twitter.com/stphn_lacey/status/593750480834195456 https://twitter.com/stphn_lacey/status/593750480834195456
- Adaptive 11y agoMusk's delivery style is so refreshing compared to the Steve Jobs clones on every stage. He's knowledgeable, charming, funny. Great stuff.
- grecy 11y agoPretty cool that it's "Gigafactory 1" And they're viewing it as another product.
- Cshelton 11y agoSo. COOL! The coolest part...that Tesla realizes that the goal it wants to accomplish can not be done alone. They need companies and people around the world. All patents are open and free for anybody to use and all technology is open source. That is amazing. That's how change happens!
- spectrum1234 11y agocan someone explain how the open sourcing he mentions will benefit Tesla? typically open sourcing is only best when you are a platform as a service. I'm not seeing that - what am I missing?
- nightski 11y agoLiving in the north that -4 degree F lower operating temp limit makes me sad. Sure you could put it in a heated garage - but I bet this explains why no one up here owns a Tesla vehicle yet.
- grecy 11y agoput it on the inside of your house. It looks like art and doesn't take up much space. Up here in the Yukon everyone has their batteries inside, else they'd freeze.
- GigabyteCoin 11y agoIs there going to be a download available of the livestream? I'd love to have watched it, but it kept cutting out after about 15 seconds for me even on the lowest quality.
- SeoxyS 11y ago"Powerwall comes in 10 kWh weekly cycle and 7 kWh daily cycle models." Can somebody explain what "weekly cycle" vs. "daily cycle" means in this context?
- prouticus 11y agoBest info I've found so far: http://gizmodo.com/how-teslas-powerwall-stacks-up-to-other-energy-sources-1701483130 http://gizmodo.com/how-teslas-powerwall-stacks-up-to-other-e...