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I am guessing you are a glass is half empty kind of person. If every small progress was met with whining about naming nothing would ever get done and many would

I am guessing you are a glass is half empty kind of person. If every small progress was met with whining about naming nothing would ever get done and many would be fine with that because they are terminally committed to their "everything is getting worse narrative". It is practically the siren song of the Millenials. Do you want progress? Then encourage it.

cryoshon 12y ago
This isn't a squabble about "naming" so much as an observation at intentional deception for the purposes of dodging debate... there isn't any real progress outlined in the bill being discussed anyway, it's just another cover for fewer freedoms and more totalitarianism.
- happyscrappy 12y ago
  Holy shit. EFF supports this bill. You would know that if you read the article. Do you think EFF is down with more totalitarianism? Maybe time to grow up.
  - elif 12y ago
    It's possible he has a mature opinion on the matter which relates to the actual bill. Unlike your opinion, which seems to focus on ad hominem attacks on him, and ad verecundiam appeals to the EFF. For instance, I am upset with the provision that gives immunity to any corporation that aids in government spying. I am also upset that this bill does not provide any new oversight apparatuses to the NSA, and does not remove any of the linguistic vagueness that created the loopholes they exploit in order to spy presently. Yet, at the same time, I do not think 'the EFF is down with totalitarianism.' Perhaps it is your dichotomous perspective on support for this bill which is puerile. Is that a "grown up" enough response to you?
    - happyscrappy 12y ago
      EFF has it right. Is this bill perfect? No, but we need to support movement in the right direction.
      - robot22 12y ago
        I can't wait for any future "terrorist" attacks to be immediately blamed on the minimal roll backs.
    - cryoshon 12y ago
      You hit the nail on the head. The retroactive immunity clause and lack of oversight make this bill a step in the wrong direction, regardless of the EFF's involvement.

cryoshon 12y ago

This isn't a squabble about "naming" so much as an observation at intentional deception for the purposes of dodging debate... there isn't any real progress outlined in the bill being discussed anyway, it's just another cover for fewer freedoms and more totalitarianism.

happyscrappy 12y ago
Holy shit. EFF supports this bill. You would know that if you read the article. Do you think EFF is down with more totalitarianism? Maybe time to grow up.
- elif 12y ago
  It's possible he has a mature opinion on the matter which relates to the actual bill. Unlike your opinion, which seems to focus on ad hominem attacks on him, and ad verecundiam appeals to the EFF. For instance, I am upset with the provision that gives immunity to any corporation that aids in government spying. I am also upset that this bill does not provide any new oversight apparatuses to the NSA, and does not remove any of the linguistic vagueness that created the loopholes they exploit in order to spy presently. Yet, at the same time, I do not think 'the EFF is down with totalitarianism.' Perhaps it is your dichotomous perspective on support for this bill which is puerile. Is that a "grown up" enough response to you?
  - happyscrappy 12y ago
    EFF has it right. Is this bill perfect? No, but we need to support movement in the right direction.
    - robot22 12y ago
      I can't wait for any future "terrorist" attacks to be immediately blamed on the minimal roll backs.
  - cryoshon 12y ago
    You hit the nail on the head. The retroactive immunity clause and lack of oversight make this bill a step in the wrong direction, regardless of the EFF's involvement.