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> Trolling is the inevitable reaction to groupthink. Predictably, groupthink is interested in ways of insulating itself from trolls. The word 'trolling' seems

> Trolling is the inevitable reaction to groupthink. Predictably, groupthink is interested in ways of insulating itself from trolls. The word 'trolling' seems to have taken on many definitions of late, you are probably using a different one than the article. I understood the article to mean troll in the sense of a person purposefully misdirecting discussion to make people angry (note that the troll in this sense usually does not believe what they are saying, they're "trolling" for reactions). It sounds like you are using the more recent use of "trolling" to mean "to disagree with someone".

jkyle 11y ago
It sounds like you are using the more recent use of "trolling" to mean "to disagree with someone". I have always heard of trolling, within the context of internet forum discussions, used to refer to the former and not this later definition.
sp332 11y ago
The article refers to "messages that contain abusive language; accounts set up specifically to target individuals; and threats of violence" as trolling. That seems different from just anti-groupthink.
- sqrt17 11y ago
  The article is reporting about a scientific study (http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.00680v1.pdf http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.00680v1.pdf discussed in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9399090 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9399090) that specifically talks about "future banned users" without asking why these users would be banned; The rest of the economist article is journalistic speculation. The study authors do report that there's a propensity for polarization, i.e., that "we find a community bias against FBUs: posts written later in an FBU’s life are more likely to be deleted, regardless of whether they are actually worse".
DanBC 11y ago
> It sounds like you are using the more recent use of "trolling" to mean "to disagree with someone". That's not a definition of trolling. That's people in arguments mistakenly calling their opponents trolls. I don't think parent is saying "people who disagree are trolls" but is saying that some forms of groupthink encourage trolling behaviours. When your wikipedia edits get stomped on by Twinkle-using 13 year olds on Vandal Patrol who are gathering reverts to apply for admin some people react by leaving; others react by trolling. (As I understand it WP has tried to address Vandal Patrolling; Twinkle misuse; reverts for adminship; etc).
- cbd1984 11y ago
  Trolls are the ones trying to get people to kill themselves.

jkyle 11y ago

It sounds like you are using the more recent use of "trolling" to mean "to disagree with someone". I have always heard of trolling, within the context of internet forum discussions, used to refer to the former and not this later definition.

sp332 11y ago

The article refers to "messages that contain abusive language; accounts set up specifically to target individuals; and threats of violence" as trolling. That seems different from just anti-groupthink.

sqrt17 11y ago
The article is reporting about a scientific study (http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.00680v1.pdf http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.00680v1.pdf discussed in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9399090 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9399090) that specifically talks about "future banned users" without asking why these users would be banned; The rest of the economist article is journalistic speculation. The study authors do report that there's a propensity for polarization, i.e., that "we find a community bias against FBUs: posts written later in an FBU’s life are more likely to be deleted, regardless of whether they are actually worse".

DanBC 11y ago

> It sounds like you are using the more recent use of "trolling" to mean "to disagree with someone". That's not a definition of trolling. That's people in arguments mistakenly calling their opponents trolls. I don't think parent is saying "people who disagree are trolls" but is saying that some forms of groupthink encourage trolling behaviours. When your wikipedia edits get stomped on by Twinkle-using 13 year olds on Vandal Patrol who are gathering reverts to apply for admin some people react by leaving; others react by trolling. (As I understand it WP has tried to address Vandal Patrolling; Twinkle misuse; reverts for adminship; etc).

cbd1984 11y ago
Trolls are the ones trying to get people to kill themselves.