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> ... always ... waiting in the wings ... ship This sounds like you're speaking from inside experience. I would _love_ to hear more of this back story. Serious

by clebio 11y ago

> ... always ... waiting in the wings ... ship This sounds like you're speaking from inside experience. I would _love_ to hear more of this back story. Seriously, to anyone, write it up.

zaphar 11y ago
I've never worked there but I know people who did. And anyone who follows MS Research can read between the lines. No direct experience here though so I'm the wrong person to write it up.
toyg 11y ago
You just have to look at the amount of money they sunk into R&D in the last 15 years, which is public data. Nobody spends that sort of cash to simply develop simple iterative versions of established products (which Windows and Office have been ever since XP, really) or one random new gizmo (Kinect).
- sukilot 11y ago
  R&D gets favorable tax treatment. Maintaining an OS, whatever it costs, is R&D.
johnchristopher 11y ago
You could google for that minimsft blog and the `we forgot how to ship´ trend of a few years back (from Sinofsky(i?) I believe).
Intermernet 11y ago
Have a look at the list of projects here http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/ http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/ and see how many are probably going to be profitable in the next couple of decades. It's actually pretty amazing how much research Microsoft fund that seems unrelated to any of their current product lines. I think MS Research would be a pretty amazing place to work.
- calgoo 11y ago
  If i remember correctly, Haskell is being developed in MS RD. At least they have hired the main Haskell dev, and I think he was involved in the F# dev work, including ideas from Haskell. IThis was commented on in a talk with the Erlang and Haskell devs.
  - eru 11y ago
    ghc, the Haskell compiler everyone uses, is developed mainly at MSR in Cambridge, UK.
- storgendibal 11y ago
  MSR really is an incredible place to work, but also impossibly hard to get in. It's akin to getting a fully tenured professorship at a top-tier computer science program. Back when I was in graduate school, MSR dominated every other computer science research department in the number of SIGGRAPH papers they published each year. And that's just in graphics.

by clebio 11y ago

> ... always ... waiting in the wings ... ship This sounds like you're speaking from inside experience. I would _love_ to hear more of this back story. Seriously, to anyone, write it up.

zaphar 11y ago

I've never worked there but I know people who did. And anyone who follows MS Research can read between the lines. No direct experience here though so I'm the wrong person to write it up.

toyg 11y ago

You just have to look at the amount of money they sunk into R&D in the last 15 years, which is public data. Nobody spends that sort of cash to simply develop simple iterative versions of established products (which Windows and Office have been ever since XP, really) or one random new gizmo (Kinect).

sukilot 11y ago
R&D gets favorable tax treatment. Maintaining an OS, whatever it costs, is R&D.

johnchristopher 11y ago

You could google for that minimsft blog and the `we forgot how to ship´ trend of a few years back (from Sinofsky(i?) I believe).

Intermernet 11y ago

Have a look at the list of projects here http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/ http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/ and see how many are probably going to be profitable in the next couple of decades. It's actually pretty amazing how much research Microsoft fund that seems unrelated to any of their current product lines. I think MS Research would be a pretty amazing place to work.

calgoo 11y ago
If i remember correctly, Haskell is being developed in MS RD. At least they have hired the main Haskell dev, and I think he was involved in the F# dev work, including ideas from Haskell. IThis was commented on in a talk with the Erlang and Haskell devs.
- eru 11y ago
  ghc, the Haskell compiler everyone uses, is developed mainly at MSR in Cambridge, UK.
storgendibal 11y ago
MSR really is an incredible place to work, but also impossibly hard to get in. It's akin to getting a fully tenured professorship at a top-tier computer science program. Back when I was in graduate school, MSR dominated every other computer science research department in the number of SIGGRAPH papers they published each year. And that's just in graphics.