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I must agree with even though I don't want to. Microsoft seems to legitimately changing its behavior. Personally, I still want more. An open source editor woul

by sqeaky 12y ago

I must agree with even though I don't want to. Microsoft seems to legitimately changing its behavior. Personally, I still want more. An open source editor would have been nice. Many good text editors are open source Vim, Emacs, Atom, Notepad++ entering this area with less community seems like an unneeded difficulty.

jordz 12y ago
This editor is built on Atom.
- Scarbutt 12y ago
  Looks like it just uses Electron.
- AdamTReineke 12y ago
  From their docs: https://code.visualstudio.com/Docs https://code.visualstudio.com/Docs Architecturally, Visual Studio Code combines the best of web, native, and language-specific technologies. Using the GitHub Electron Shell, Code combines web technologies such as JavaScript and Node.js with the speed and flexibility of native apps. Code uses a newer, faster version of the same industrial-strength HTML-based editor that has powered the “Monaco” cloud editor, Internet Explorer's F12 Tools, and other projects. And Code uses a tools service architecture that enables it to use many of the same technologies that power Visual Studio, including Roslyn for .NET, TypeScript, the Visual Studio debugging engine, and more. In future previews, as we continue to evolve and refine this architecture, Visual Studio Code will include a public extensibility model that lets developers build and use plug-ins, and richly customize their edit-build-debug experience.
  - MCRed 12y ago
    The Electron Shell was previously known as the Atom Shell. So part of it is Atom work.
    - tlianza 12y ago
      embraced and extended? [ducks]
      - lugg 12y ago
        I don't think they've extended it yet: $ /Applications/Visual\ Studio\ Code.app/Contents/MacOS/Atom .
    - AdamTReineke 12y ago
      Fair point. I wanted to clarify the difference since "built on Atom" has a different meaning to me than "using the GitHub Electron shell". The first sounds like an extension to Atom and the second sounds like a whole new app.
      - jordz 12y ago
        They started work on this before the Atom Shell was "Electron" and speaking to the team in Zurich before this was unveiled (about 3 months ago) they mentioned this was built on top of Atoms foundations. There is an Atom binary inside the package app and this is where my comment came from (:
- deleted 12y ago
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- M8 12y ago
  So it's crappy HTML and JS underneath? I was hoping for cross-platform WPF :(.
  - pistle 12y ago
    Ahhh we can dream... sigh
  - JustSomeNobody 12y ago
    WPF?! You cannot be serious.
    - WDCDev 12y ago
      WPF is, by far, the most pleasant and flexible thick client, windowing system out there. XAML is a bit verbose, but the binding capabilities combined with an open source MVVM framework like Caliburn allow you to build extremely flexible UIs. WPF also abstracts control behavior away from presentation and allows you to easily and quickly extend the base set of controls to do whatever you want to. After building multiple thick client applications using VB6, MFC, Swign, Winforms and WPF, WPF exceeds all of these, by far, in flexibility and maintainability.
      - jaked89 12y ago
        I find the binding part and MVVM stuff rubbish. For me, the real value is composition flexibility.
      - _random_ 12y ago
        Also <grid> (as a sane alternative to <div class="table">) where you can actually align stuff exactly the way you want.
        nailer 12y ago
        You know about flex box right?
      - antonmaju 12y ago
- DonHopkins 12y ago
  Neato -- lots of JS code in: Visual Studio Code.app/Contents/Resources/app Try using it to view its own source code inside the app!
- frik 12y ago
  It seems this is the predecessor: Visual Studio Online (2013): http://weblogs.asp.net/jongalloway/a-quick-look-at-the-new-visual-studio-online-quot-monaco-quot-code-editor http://weblogs.asp.net/jongalloway/a-quick-look-at-the-new-v... (scroll down half way to see the screenshots and videos) So the idea and technology behind it predates Satya Nadella CEO appointment by at least 3 months.
  - UK-AL 12y ago
    Visual Studio Online is basically TFS online. Think github + CI + Kanban board + Issue tracking online.
    - frik 12y ago
      It's more than that. Scroll half way down on my link above, check out the screenshots and video. Visual Studio Code is more like an offline version of Visual Studio Online (the editor part), 2 years later.
      - UK-AL 12y ago
        The editor is a tiny tiny tiny tiny part of VS Online.
        frik 12y ago
        And exactly that "not so tiny" editor is the big part of Visual Studio Code. And it is not trivial at all - it's a very complex component to get right. The editor component comes from Switzerland and is called "monaco" and one of the main reasons why the "TypeScript" language exists and why ES6 looks as it looks today.
  - zaphar 12y ago
    MS has always had great ideas and technology waiting in the wings. The problem was always they could never ship it. Nadella's contribution is to make it possible to ship this sort of thing. Shipping this under Ballmer would have been a miracle.
- MCRed 12y ago
  So is there any reason to use it instead of Atom? (assuming you're not developing with .net or C#)
  - tdestan 12y ago
    If it supports any form of semantic completion (i.e. Intellisense) , that would be a reason. I'm still not sure from reading the article if that's the case, though.
- homulilly 12y ago
  Can't be entirely Atom since so far it actually seems pretty responsive.
  - jevgeni 12y ago
    Oh, snap!
honeybooboo123 12y ago
> I must agree with even though I don't want to. Microsoft seems to legitimately changing its behavior. But you don't think they're doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, right? This is just Microsoft doing whatever they think it takes to maintain or perhaps even enhance their position in the IT industry. They're still evil, just like always. It's just that now that MS is teetering on the edge of irrelevance, they have to pretend otherwise.

by sqeaky 12y ago

jordz 12y ago

This editor is built on Atom.

Scarbutt 12y ago
Looks like it just uses Electron.
AdamTReineke 12y ago
From their docs: https://code.visualstudio.com/Docs https://code.visualstudio.com/Docs Architecturally, Visual Studio Code combines the best of web, native, and language-specific technologies. Using the GitHub Electron Shell, Code combines web technologies such as JavaScript and Node.js with the speed and flexibility of native apps. Code uses a newer, faster version of the same industrial-strength HTML-based editor that has powered the “Monaco” cloud editor, Internet Explorer's F12 Tools, and other projects. And Code uses a tools service architecture that enables it to use many of the same technologies that power Visual Studio, including Roslyn for .NET, TypeScript, the Visual Studio debugging engine, and more. In future previews, as we continue to evolve and refine this architecture, Visual Studio Code will include a public extensibility model that lets developers build and use plug-ins, and richly customize their edit-build-debug experience.
- MCRed 12y ago
  The Electron Shell was previously known as the Atom Shell. So part of it is Atom work.
  - tlianza 12y ago
    embraced and extended? [ducks]
    - lugg 12y ago
      I don't think they've extended it yet: $ /Applications/Visual\ Studio\ Code.app/Contents/MacOS/Atom .
  - AdamTReineke 12y ago
    Fair point. I wanted to clarify the difference since "built on Atom" has a different meaning to me than "using the GitHub Electron shell". The first sounds like an extension to Atom and the second sounds like a whole new app.
    - jordz 12y ago
      They started work on this before the Atom Shell was "Electron" and speaking to the team in Zurich before this was unveiled (about 3 months ago) they mentioned this was built on top of Atoms foundations. There is an Atom binary inside the package app and this is where my comment came from (:
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M8 12y ago
So it's crappy HTML and JS underneath? I was hoping for cross-platform WPF :(.
- pistle 12y ago
  Ahhh we can dream... sigh
- JustSomeNobody 12y ago
  WPF?! You cannot be serious.
  - WDCDev 12y ago
    WPF is, by far, the most pleasant and flexible thick client, windowing system out there. XAML is a bit verbose, but the binding capabilities combined with an open source MVVM framework like Caliburn allow you to build extremely flexible UIs. WPF also abstracts control behavior away from presentation and allows you to easily and quickly extend the base set of controls to do whatever you want to. After building multiple thick client applications using VB6, MFC, Swign, Winforms and WPF, WPF exceeds all of these, by far, in flexibility and maintainability.
    - jaked89 12y ago
      I find the binding part and MVVM stuff rubbish. For me, the real value is composition flexibility.
    - _random_ 12y ago
      Also <grid> (as a sane alternative to <div class="table">) where you can actually align stuff exactly the way you want.
      - nailer 12y ago
        You know about flex box right?
    - antonmaju 12y ago
DonHopkins 12y ago
Neato -- lots of JS code in: Visual Studio Code.app/Contents/Resources/app Try using it to view its own source code inside the app!
frik 12y ago
It seems this is the predecessor: Visual Studio Online (2013): http://weblogs.asp.net/jongalloway/a-quick-look-at-the-new-visual-studio-online-quot-monaco-quot-code-editor http://weblogs.asp.net/jongalloway/a-quick-look-at-the-new-v... (scroll down half way to see the screenshots and videos) So the idea and technology behind it predates Satya Nadella CEO appointment by at least 3 months.
- UK-AL 12y ago
  Visual Studio Online is basically TFS online. Think github + CI + Kanban board + Issue tracking online.
  - frik 12y ago
    It's more than that. Scroll half way down on my link above, check out the screenshots and video. Visual Studio Code is more like an offline version of Visual Studio Online (the editor part), 2 years later.
    - UK-AL 12y ago
      The editor is a tiny tiny tiny tiny part of VS Online.
      - frik 12y ago
        And exactly that "not so tiny" editor is the big part of Visual Studio Code. And it is not trivial at all - it's a very complex component to get right. The editor component comes from Switzerland and is called "monaco" and one of the main reasons why the "TypeScript" language exists and why ES6 looks as it looks today.
- zaphar 12y ago
  MS has always had great ideas and technology waiting in the wings. The problem was always they could never ship it. Nadella's contribution is to make it possible to ship this sort of thing. Shipping this under Ballmer would have been a miracle.
MCRed 12y ago
So is there any reason to use it instead of Atom? (assuming you're not developing with .net or C#)
- tdestan 12y ago
  If it supports any form of semantic completion (i.e. Intellisense) , that would be a reason. I'm still not sure from reading the article if that's the case, though.
homulilly 12y ago
Can't be entirely Atom since so far it actually seems pretty responsive.
- jevgeni 12y ago
  Oh, snap!

honeybooboo123 12y ago

> I must agree with even though I don't want to. Microsoft seems to legitimately changing its behavior. But you don't think they're doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, right? This is just Microsoft doing whatever they think it takes to maintain or perhaps even enhance their position in the IT industry. They're still evil, just like always. It's just that now that MS is teetering on the edge of irrelevance, they have to pretend otherwise.