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On both points, that is the exact opposite of my experience doing Node.js/Javascript/CSS/HTML in Cloud9IDE. It is clear that the browser environment imposes so

On both points, that is the exact opposite of my experience doing Node.js/Javascript/CSS/HTML in Cloud9IDE. It is clear that the browser environment imposes some restrictions on what an online IDE can do (restricted hotkeys, no on-machine filesystem access). Notwithstanding that, I've come to prefer the Cloud9IDE environment over local options and love being able to pick-up where I left off as I switch between computers.

mmgutz 11y ago
You can do that with Vim/Emacs, tmux on less than $5/mo VPS. Chrome has a pretty good SSH terminal extension.
- filearts 11y ago
  I only program as a hobby. Cloud9IDE and other cloud services have let me build a site / service that is ranked in the top 9k globally (per Alexa) without having to fuss about this sort of thing. There are many things I could do given the time and interest. Learning everything needed to get where I am has taken lots of time that I feel is better spent providing direct value to the product and its users vs. wondering what the 'optimal' dev environment might look like.
- jtheory 11y ago
  An intelligently-designed IDE is still going to be far easier for anything but constant, everyday use -- the learning curve of "start using this with context menus, then gradually learn the shortcuts for the things you do most often" is really far better than "everything is key shortcuts -- keep these cheatsheets next to you." I tend to use vi when doing sysadmin sorts of things... but there are a dozen commands that I've relearned several times now, because I learn them, don't need them for a few weeks, and then have to re-learn them when I need them again.
task_queue 11y ago
Hey, if it works for you that's great. As an alternative, VCS have solved the problem of picking up where I've left off in an IDE-agnostic way so I can use the tools I've grown accustomed to.

mmgutz 11y ago

You can do that with Vim/Emacs, tmux on less than $5/mo VPS. Chrome has a pretty good SSH terminal extension.

filearts 11y ago
I only program as a hobby. Cloud9IDE and other cloud services have let me build a site / service that is ranked in the top 9k globally (per Alexa) without having to fuss about this sort of thing. There are many things I could do given the time and interest. Learning everything needed to get where I am has taken lots of time that I feel is better spent providing direct value to the product and its users vs. wondering what the 'optimal' dev environment might look like.
jtheory 11y ago
An intelligently-designed IDE is still going to be far easier for anything but constant, everyday use -- the learning curve of "start using this with context menus, then gradually learn the shortcuts for the things you do most often" is really far better than "everything is key shortcuts -- keep these cheatsheets next to you." I tend to use vi when doing sysadmin sorts of things... but there are a dozen commands that I've relearned several times now, because I learn them, don't need them for a few weeks, and then have to re-learn them when I need them again.

task_queue 11y ago

Hey, if it works for you that's great. As an alternative, VCS have solved the problem of picking up where I've left off in an IDE-agnostic way so I can use the tools I've grown accustomed to.