3 ms·

There may be a different story behind this: http://thecolorffooff.tumblr.com/bluh http://thecolorffooff.tumblr.com/bluh >On April 23rd Rachel posted her goodb

There may be a different story behind this: http://thecolorffooff.tumblr.com/bluh http://thecolorffooff.tumblr.com/bluh >On April 23rd Rachel posted her goodbye on Twitter and I freaked out and asked her a bunch of stuff to see if there was absolutely anything I could do to fix things. >There, of course, wasn't. >I asked her why she felt the need to do this. She replied saying that she had "incurable crippling diseases", specifically "RA + fibromyalgia" (RA I assume means Rheumatoid Arthritis).

dalke 12y ago
How in the world is that a "different story". The WaPo article says: > Lisa Bryk said her daughter’s illnesses — and not just the abuse she suffered online — drove her to suicide. “While Rachel was certainly bullied and harassed online, that was NOT the reason she committed suicide,” she wrote. “Please pass along info on the abuse that trans individuals endure, but let’s also educate people on how difficult it is to live every moment in pain. A combination of everything was likely the cause, so let’s not make her a anonymous statistic.”
- tantalor 12y ago
  Because it contradicts the headline.
  - dalke 12y ago
    There is no contradiction. "... after online abuse" is not the same as "... due only to online abuse". Here are other headlines in the last few days: 0) "Tuna company charged after employee burned to death in oven", 1) "Blue Bell is hoping for a "fresh start" after a listeria outbreak led to a total recall." 2) "LAPD officer charged with assault after yet another cop beating caught on camera", 3) "‘This is not Ferguson': Muddled mantra heard again after Freddie Gray death", 4) "Ricky Gervais fires back after getting slaughtered over hunting remarks", 5) "Boy found safe after being abducted during Northern California car theft", 6) "Five dead in family dispute after hours-long standoff at Phoenix home" There are so many examples where the phrase "after" is used for a temporal relationship where there is no direct causal relationship between the two. Eg, the five dead in (6) did not die because of an hours-long standoff but because of gunshot wounds. Why do you think there is a contradiction? What meaning do you assign to "after" which is also compatible with the 7 other examples I presented? Personally, I think the g'parent commenter didn't read the article and was trying to spin the conversation away from the idea that the written word can cause emotional trauma that might contribute to suicide.
    - chrismcb 12y ago
      The headline implies there is a connection between the two events. Just like the headlines in your 6 examples. For example, the 6 died because of the standoff, due to gunshot wounds caused by the standoff. It is rare for a headline to use after solely as a temporal relation.
      - dalke 12y ago
        Regarding "Five dead in family dispute after hours-long standoff at Phoenix home", the gunshot wounds were not caused by the standoff. The WaPo article is at http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/17/five-dead-in-family-dispute-after-hours-long-standoff-at-phoenix-home/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/17... and the source article from ABC is at http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/north-phoenix/swat-team-working-situation-in-north-phoenix http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/north-phoenix... . > The suspect shot two of his brothers and then his mother came down from upstairs and he shot her. Afterwards the suspect went upstairs to find others in the home. He reportedly shot and killed a female relative. ... "Our dispatcher could hear shots fired in the background while that call was coming in," Crump said. "A caller had been able to escape the home at that point, get out and start to give us information." Most, if not all, of the gunshot wounds occurred before the standoff even started. I do not understand how you drew the conclusion that the deaths were due to gunshot wounds caused by the standoff. There's no basis for that in the two articles I referenced. Your statement about "solely as a temporal relation" is not relevant. Even if true about rarity, the article quotes the mother as saying "A combination of everything was likely the cause". The article deliberately draws a connection between the online abuse and the suicide, as well as between her illness and the suicide. The headline picked the aspect that's most likely to draw attention, which is what headlines are for. Thus there is no contradiction, only the incomplete information that one must expect from a headline. (It's a poor headline which says "Someone died.")
Squarel 12y ago
The article itself mentions the RA & Fibromyalgia, and mentions the info her mother gave, which states that the reason was likely the pain, but the online abuse was also a part of it. Much like the people who stand below someone on a roof yelling "Jump" and filming it with their smartphones are not the cause, but exacerbate the situation

dalke 12y ago

How in the world is that a "different story". The WaPo article says: > Lisa Bryk said her daughter’s illnesses — and not just the abuse she suffered online — drove her to suicide. “While Rachel was certainly bullied and harassed online, that was NOT the reason she committed suicide,” she wrote. “Please pass along info on the abuse that trans individuals endure, but let’s also educate people on how difficult it is to live every moment in pain. A combination of everything was likely the cause, so let’s not make her a anonymous statistic.”

tantalor 12y ago
Because it contradicts the headline.
- dalke 12y ago
  There is no contradiction. "... after online abuse" is not the same as "... due only to online abuse". Here are other headlines in the last few days: 0) "Tuna company charged after employee burned to death in oven", 1) "Blue Bell is hoping for a "fresh start" after a listeria outbreak led to a total recall." 2) "LAPD officer charged with assault after yet another cop beating caught on camera", 3) "‘This is not Ferguson': Muddled mantra heard again after Freddie Gray death", 4) "Ricky Gervais fires back after getting slaughtered over hunting remarks", 5) "Boy found safe after being abducted during Northern California car theft", 6) "Five dead in family dispute after hours-long standoff at Phoenix home" There are so many examples where the phrase "after" is used for a temporal relationship where there is no direct causal relationship between the two. Eg, the five dead in (6) did not die because of an hours-long standoff but because of gunshot wounds. Why do you think there is a contradiction? What meaning do you assign to "after" which is also compatible with the 7 other examples I presented? Personally, I think the g'parent commenter didn't read the article and was trying to spin the conversation away from the idea that the written word can cause emotional trauma that might contribute to suicide.
  - chrismcb 12y ago
    The headline implies there is a connection between the two events. Just like the headlines in your 6 examples. For example, the 6 died because of the standoff, due to gunshot wounds caused by the standoff. It is rare for a headline to use after solely as a temporal relation.
    - dalke 12y ago
      Regarding "Five dead in family dispute after hours-long standoff at Phoenix home", the gunshot wounds were not caused by the standoff. The WaPo article is at http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/17/five-dead-in-family-dispute-after-hours-long-standoff-at-phoenix-home/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/17... and the source article from ABC is at http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/north-phoenix/swat-team-working-situation-in-north-phoenix http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/north-phoenix... . > The suspect shot two of his brothers and then his mother came down from upstairs and he shot her. Afterwards the suspect went upstairs to find others in the home. He reportedly shot and killed a female relative. ... "Our dispatcher could hear shots fired in the background while that call was coming in," Crump said. "A caller had been able to escape the home at that point, get out and start to give us information." Most, if not all, of the gunshot wounds occurred before the standoff even started. I do not understand how you drew the conclusion that the deaths were due to gunshot wounds caused by the standoff. There's no basis for that in the two articles I referenced. Your statement about "solely as a temporal relation" is not relevant. Even if true about rarity, the article quotes the mother as saying "A combination of everything was likely the cause". The article deliberately draws a connection between the online abuse and the suicide, as well as between her illness and the suicide. The headline picked the aspect that's most likely to draw attention, which is what headlines are for. Thus there is no contradiction, only the incomplete information that one must expect from a headline. (It's a poor headline which says "Someone died.")

Squarel 12y ago

The article itself mentions the RA & Fibromyalgia, and mentions the info her mother gave, which states that the reason was likely the pain, but the online abuse was also a part of it. Much like the people who stand below someone on a roof yelling "Jump" and filming it with their smartphones are not the cause, but exacerbate the situation