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I took a class on international economic development when in grad school. The class spent some time going through the various theories of economic development,

I took a class on international economic development when in grad school. The class spent some time going through the various theories of economic development, and what has and hasn't worked in terms of aid programs. One of the surprises in the class I learned was that education isn't a big driver for economic development. That's not to say education isn't important, but that if you make a huge effort to education your population, the payoff isn't going to be that great, other factors need to be considered.

danieltillett 11y ago
Interesting. This would seem to suggest that wealth drives education. Of course the problem is now how to make the world wealthier.
- bsbechtel 11y ago
  I think the take away was that you need to give citizens the freedom to meet each other's needs instead of forcing top down solutions, make it easy to start businesses, and don't protect entrenched interests (e.g., tax cuts and regulations that protect current industry). I may be remembering that through a lens of my own political leanings, but what I learned in that class helped shape those political leanings as well.
  - tormeh 11y ago
    I seem to remember that stable institutions are the most important. Infrastructure, policing, that kind of thing.
    - bsbechtel 11y ago
      Yes, I think you're right on those as well. I remember stable macroeconomic policies being a big one too. We went through some fairly convincing studies showing how damaging hyperinflation and unserviceable government debt can be to an economy.
      - tormeh 11y ago
        My point was that, as long as the politics are fairly conventional, the quality of execution of policies are orders of magnitude more important than whether those policies lean left or right.
jp555 11y ago
On a macro level over the long run I find that hard to swallow. Economic development is essentially "learning to do more with less". Economic growth IS learning. Paleolithic humans had all the basic resources we have today, except they lacked our education.
- mtbcoder 11y ago
  Education seems to be just one cog in the overall scheme of a functioning, productive society. Without well managed public and private sectors in place to take advantage of an educated, skilled workforce and economic policies which truly benefit the developing country, the likely outcome will be large scale brain-drain.
  - jp555 11y ago
    I see what you mean. Without the rule of law, effective policing, healthcare, transportation networks, etc, investment in education meets resistance to use. The best Intel engineer can't make microchips if sent back to a Paleolithic beach. She's still missing civilization.
tormeh 11y ago
This always frustrates me with the debate around how to help developing economies. Widespread education isn't really needed until pretty late in an economy's development. Widespread education is only necessary in a post-industrialized economy. Developing nations will do fine with basic literacy/numeracy until their economies are sufficiently advanced as to require higher levels of education to advance.
- albemuth 11y ago
  How does a developing nation become post-industrialized with basic literacy/numeracy. Honest question.
  - tormeh 11y ago
    Foreign investments + a small elite that can order people around. The education level in Britain during the industrial revolution was pretty low, and it follows that any higher would be unnecessary for a developing country. It would be different if you wanted to skip the sweatshop-stage, but I don't think any country of any size really has. Making use of higher education requires an economy in which they are useful, and to build such an economy requires enormous capital expenditures in infrastructure, manufacturing goods etc. What good are skills, if you have neither the tools of the trade nor the problems to apply them to?
    - bsbechtel 11y ago
      I would add to that the majority of citizens in the US were illiterate up until the early 1900s. The country was pretty deep into the industrial revolution at that point.
hyperpallium 11y ago
\curious What are the big drivers? AFAIK corruption is a fundamental problem with aid; and micro-finance has worked well.
tokenadult 11y ago
What were the example countries looked at in that class? Land reform is plainly a crucial factor for general economic development. (Japan, south Korea, and Taiwan all had that after World War II.) But I have also seen discussions of education that point out that GENERAL provision of good primary education (those same three countries) far outperforms providing higher education only to members of the elite (many countries in Africa and Latin America). I'm not sure that I buy that general provision of sound primary education makes little difference. I have lived in east Asia, and I get the distinct impression that it makes a LOT of difference.
- bsbechtel 11y ago
  I think it was across the board, but there might have been some nuances regarding level of education (primary vs higher) to it as well...it was a while back. I also remember being skeptical how exactly education level is measured in each country.

danieltillett 11y ago

Interesting. This would seem to suggest that wealth drives education. Of course the problem is now how to make the world wealthier.

bsbechtel 11y ago
I think the take away was that you need to give citizens the freedom to meet each other's needs instead of forcing top down solutions, make it easy to start businesses, and don't protect entrenched interests (e.g., tax cuts and regulations that protect current industry). I may be remembering that through a lens of my own political leanings, but what I learned in that class helped shape those political leanings as well.
- tormeh 11y ago
  I seem to remember that stable institutions are the most important. Infrastructure, policing, that kind of thing.
  - bsbechtel 11y ago
    Yes, I think you're right on those as well. I remember stable macroeconomic policies being a big one too. We went through some fairly convincing studies showing how damaging hyperinflation and unserviceable government debt can be to an economy.
    - tormeh 11y ago
      My point was that, as long as the politics are fairly conventional, the quality of execution of policies are orders of magnitude more important than whether those policies lean left or right.

jp555 11y ago

On a macro level over the long run I find that hard to swallow. Economic development is essentially "learning to do more with less". Economic growth IS learning. Paleolithic humans had all the basic resources we have today, except they lacked our education.

mtbcoder 11y ago
Education seems to be just one cog in the overall scheme of a functioning, productive society. Without well managed public and private sectors in place to take advantage of an educated, skilled workforce and economic policies which truly benefit the developing country, the likely outcome will be large scale brain-drain.
- jp555 11y ago
  I see what you mean. Without the rule of law, effective policing, healthcare, transportation networks, etc, investment in education meets resistance to use. The best Intel engineer can't make microchips if sent back to a Paleolithic beach. She's still missing civilization.

tormeh 11y ago

This always frustrates me with the debate around how to help developing economies. Widespread education isn't really needed until pretty late in an economy's development. Widespread education is only necessary in a post-industrialized economy. Developing nations will do fine with basic literacy/numeracy until their economies are sufficiently advanced as to require higher levels of education to advance.

albemuth 11y ago
How does a developing nation become post-industrialized with basic literacy/numeracy. Honest question.
- tormeh 11y ago
  Foreign investments + a small elite that can order people around. The education level in Britain during the industrial revolution was pretty low, and it follows that any higher would be unnecessary for a developing country. It would be different if you wanted to skip the sweatshop-stage, but I don't think any country of any size really has. Making use of higher education requires an economy in which they are useful, and to build such an economy requires enormous capital expenditures in infrastructure, manufacturing goods etc. What good are skills, if you have neither the tools of the trade nor the problems to apply them to?
  - bsbechtel 11y ago
    I would add to that the majority of citizens in the US were illiterate up until the early 1900s. The country was pretty deep into the industrial revolution at that point.

hyperpallium 11y ago

\curious What are the big drivers? AFAIK corruption is a fundamental problem with aid; and micro-finance has worked well.

tokenadult 11y ago

What were the example countries looked at in that class? Land reform is plainly a crucial factor for general economic development. (Japan, south Korea, and Taiwan all had that after World War II.) But I have also seen discussions of education that point out that GENERAL provision of good primary education (those same three countries) far outperforms providing higher education only to members of the elite (many countries in Africa and Latin America). I'm not sure that I buy that general provision of sound primary education makes little difference. I have lived in east Asia, and I get the distinct impression that it makes a LOT of difference.

bsbechtel 11y ago
I think it was across the board, but there might have been some nuances regarding level of education (primary vs higher) to it as well...it was a while back. I also remember being skeptical how exactly education level is measured in each country.