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Legalise/Regulate all the drugs. Given the choice between a 'traditional' drug like Coke, MDMA and LSD and some new alphabet soup drug with no history of human
by tyho 11y ago
Legalise/Regulate all the drugs. Given the choice between a 'traditional' drug like Coke, MDMA and LSD and some new alphabet soup drug with no history of human use, very few people will choose the thing they haven't heard about. If there is one thing we have learned since the war on drugs it is that prohibition does not work.
The 2C-x drugs certainly did not arise from the prohibition of older psychedelics. The man who invented them (along with MDMA earlier) was Alexander Shulgin. It was his life's work to discover and test these new drugs. I seriously doubt it was in reaction to prohibition.
2C-x as far as we know does not have a similar safety profile to the drugs you have mentioned in general. LSD is known to be safe in at least 1000x the normal dose. The highest dose in the literature for 2C-B is 5x the normal dose. Certain drugs in the series such as 2C-P have a very low safety margin[1].
[1] https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal036.shtml https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal036...
- Nursie 11y agoI'm not sure that Shulgin actually invented MDMA did he? Certainly he dedicated his life to discovery and testing of all sorts of interesting things, and his legacy is enormous, but I didn't think that one was his invention.
- tyho 11y agoNo, he rediscovered it and I believe he was the first one to try it.
- dEnigma 11y ago>LSD is known to be safe in at least 1000x the normal dose I'd love to see a citation for that
- Karunamon 11y agoErowid's got a MSDS for LSD that puts the LD50 at 50mg/kg, so for a 150 pound person, that works out to 3.4 grams. A normal dose of LSD is measured in micrograms, so the 1000x statement is at least very conservative.
- tyho 11y agohttp://www.lycaeum.org/research/researchpdfs/1977_griggs_1.pdf http://www.lycaeum.org/research/researchpdfs/1977_griggs_1.p... https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_death.shtml https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_death.shtml Ok, well maybe not 'safe', but people have taken that amount and survived. It is certainly not something I would recommend.
- dEnigma 11y agoThank you, I saw the erowid page before I posted and only read up to "more than 100 times a normal moderate dose of LSD" before I asked for a citation. Well, at least we know one shouldn't take 3200x the normal dose ;)
- enkephalin 11y agoif the ld50 is anywhere near that of mice or rats, even a 10000x dose could be non lethal.
- DanBC 11y agoThey gave an elephant a very large dose, and it died, but they don't know if it was the LSD or the activity or the medical treatment that killed it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tusko#The_elephant_on_LSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tusko#The_elephant_on_LSD > "Tusko" was also the name of a male Indian elephant at the Oklahoma City Zoo. On August 3, 1962,[4] researchers from the University of Oklahoma injected (human use involves oral ingestion) 297 mg of LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) to him, which is over 1,000 times the dose typical of human recreational use. Within five minutes he collapsed to the ground and one hour and forty minutes later he died. It is believed that the LSD was the cause of his death, although some speculate that the drugs the researchers used in an attempt to revive him may have contributed to his death.