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"The issue was centered around an update that was pushed 4 days ago" - that's an app bug, not an iPad bug.

by lo_fye 11y ago

SixSigma 11y ago
> The pilot came on and said that his first mate’s iPad powered down unexpectedly, and his had too, and that the entire 737 fleet on American had experienced the same behavior. user mode programs causing power down is not an app bug
- raverbashing 11y ago
  "Going blank" is different from "Power down" (I suspect iPads are very rarely, if not never, powered down 100%) Of course, from the point of view of "can't be used" it is the same. Now, why would Jepessen be doing something "funny" and powering down iPads is the answer I want to hear.
  - jsmthrowaway 11y ago
    You've never heard a user say "power off" or "die" or "shut down" when an app crashed?
- draugadrotten 11y ago
  > that the entire 737 fleet on American had experienced the same behavior. That seems to be inaccurate. American Airlines confirms "several dozen flights" which is probably less. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/29/apple-ipad-fail-grounds-few-dozen-american-airline-flights http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/29/apple-ipad... And the fix was available through nearest Wi-Fi. Leaving cockpit a few minutes. The horror! "In some cases, the flight has had to return to the gate to access a Wi-Fi connection to fix the issue. " http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/28/8511993/ipad-issue-grounds-american-airlines-737s http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/28/8511993/ipad-issue-grounds...
  - duncanawoods 11y ago
    >> Leaving cockpit a few minutes. The horror! For an airliner, yes, the horror. Why would you want to downplay the dangers of pilots losing access to their flight manuals?
    - maccard 11y ago
      > Why would you want to downplay the dangers of pilots losing access to their flight manuals? If it happens at an actually critical time, they can have the ATC read the relevant sections to them.
      - SixSigma 11y ago
        Hmm, how do we fix the radio - dang, the iPad has crashed
    - CHY872 11y ago
      because there aren't any such dangers. Nothing safety critical would have been entrusted to the iPad. The pilots would be able to deal with the problem with either ATC support (anything the pilots can read to each other, ATC can read to them) or backup papers. Yes, if you're on the ground, you won't be taking off without the stuff, but that's obvious when it can be fixed by the pilot getting out for a few minutes. People don't screw around with plane safety. The failure mode of 'our iPads turned off' will have been considered as a prelude to their being introduced.
      - msandford 11y ago
        > Nothing safety critical would have been entrusted to the iPad. I'm afraid I must disagree here. The iPad is a replacement for a bunch of paper manuals and maps and charts which are the backups to the ones contained in the flight computers. So if your iPad doesn't work any more, you don't have a backup anymore and that is safety critical. http://www.cnet.com/news/american-airlines-pilots-to-use-ipads-for-flight-manuals/ http://www.cnet.com/news/american-airlines-pilots-to-use-ipa...

"The issue was centered around an update that was pushed 4 days ago" - that's an app bug, not an iPad bug.

by lo_fye 11y ago

"The issue was centered around an update that was pushed 4 days ago" - that's an app bug, not an iPad bug.

> The pilot came on and said that his first mate’s iPad powered down unexpectedly, and his had too, and that the entire 737 fleet on American had experienced the same behavior. user mode programs causing power down is not an app bug

raverbashing 11y ago
"Going blank" is different from "Power down" (I suspect iPads are very rarely, if not never, powered down 100%) Of course, from the point of view of "can't be used" it is the same. Now, why would Jepessen be doing something "funny" and powering down iPads is the answer I want to hear.
- jsmthrowaway 11y ago
  You've never heard a user say "power off" or "die" or "shut down" when an app crashed?
draugadrotten 11y ago
> that the entire 737 fleet on American had experienced the same behavior. That seems to be inaccurate. American Airlines confirms "several dozen flights" which is probably less. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/29/apple-ipad-fail-grounds-few-dozen-american-airline-flights http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/29/apple-ipad... And the fix was available through nearest Wi-Fi. Leaving cockpit a few minutes. The horror! "In some cases, the flight has had to return to the gate to access a Wi-Fi connection to fix the issue. " http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/28/8511993/ipad-issue-grounds-american-airlines-737s http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/28/8511993/ipad-issue-grounds...
- duncanawoods 11y ago
  >> Leaving cockpit a few minutes. The horror! For an airliner, yes, the horror. Why would you want to downplay the dangers of pilots losing access to their flight manuals?
  - maccard 11y ago
    > Why would you want to downplay the dangers of pilots losing access to their flight manuals? If it happens at an actually critical time, they can have the ATC read the relevant sections to them.
    - SixSigma 11y ago
      Hmm, how do we fix the radio - dang, the iPad has crashed
  - CHY872 11y ago
    because there aren't any such dangers. Nothing safety critical would have been entrusted to the iPad. The pilots would be able to deal with the problem with either ATC support (anything the pilots can read to each other, ATC can read to them) or backup papers. Yes, if you're on the ground, you won't be taking off without the stuff, but that's obvious when it can be fixed by the pilot getting out for a few minutes. People don't screw around with plane safety. The failure mode of 'our iPads turned off' will have been considered as a prelude to their being introduced.
    - msandford 11y ago
      > Nothing safety critical would have been entrusted to the iPad. I'm afraid I must disagree here. The iPad is a replacement for a bunch of paper manuals and maps and charts which are the backups to the ones contained in the flight computers. So if your iPad doesn't work any more, you don't have a backup anymore and that is safety critical. http://www.cnet.com/news/american-airlines-pilots-to-use-ipads-for-flight-manuals/ http://www.cnet.com/news/american-airlines-pilots-to-use-ipa...