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Were the police justified when they beat an unarmed suspect and denied him medical attention that would have saved his life? Were they justified when they refus

by Lancey 11y ago

Were the police justified when they beat an unarmed suspect and denied him medical attention that would have saved his life? Were they justified when they refused to bring those responsible to justice?

engi_nerd 11y ago
Ah, I see you are advocating a new system where injustices are answered with further injustices.
- MagicWishMonkey 11y ago
  A new system? This is how society has been since time immemorial. It is the basis of our capital punishment system. People only point it out as being some sort of new phenomenon when minorities are the ones lashing out.
  - engi_nerd 11y ago
    I don't intend to argue, here, in favor of the capital punishment system. What does offend me is your assertion that what I said had ANYTHING to do with race.
- Lancey 11y ago
  There is no system in place where this can end with justice. Every time that justice has been called for in cases of police brutality against minorities over the past year, only once was that justice served. Murderers are at large, and richer for, injustices that were defended by the system. Those that are supposed to deliver justice consider themselves all-powerful and above the laws they should be upholding. Justice failed Michael Brown and all the others that died at the hands of police officers on a power trip. When justice doesn't work, what is there to turn to?
  - msandford 11y ago
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/04/11/thousands-dead-few-prosecuted/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/04/11/th...
  - engi_nerd 11y ago
    I don't know what the answers are, but burning the businesses of innocent people who have nothing to do with all of this is not one of those answers.
  - tzs 11y ago
    > Justice failed Michael Brown and all the others that died at the hands of police officers on a power trip. How do you conclude that justice failed Michael Brown? The physical evidence pretty overwhelmingly backs the officer's account of their encounter. See the DoJ's report for a discussion of this. If you want a face for people unjustifiably killed by police, why not someone like Eric Garner, who was doing nothing wrong before or during his encounter with the police and so whose killing was clearly unjustified?
forthefuture 11y ago
“Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.
- ceejayoz 11y ago
  "I contend that the cry of 'black power' is, at bottom, a reaction to the reluctance of white power to make the kind of changes necessary to make justice a reality for the Negro. I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard." ― Martin Luther King Jr.
shoeless 11y ago
That's an awfully big assumption. Was the fact that the police beat this guy and cracked his spine reported in the Baltimore Sun yesterday? There has been no conclusion that that is the case. Those that are rioting are guilty of exactly what they accuse the police of. I believe the mayor called them "thugs".
- msandford 11y ago
  He was able to run away from the police BEFORE they arrested him. After he was transported to the police station, he was found to be severely injured and the folks at the police station sent him immediately to the hospital. I'm going to use logic here for a minute. There are only two possibilities for how this happened. Either it happened at the hands of the police, or another force. Who is this other force, and how were they able to overpower the police? Did they overpower them in public? You know, like in the video we can see? Or did they forcibly stop a police vehicle, beat the man half to death and then let the police vehicle continue on. And how did this arguably criminal act go unreported and un-pursued by the police? The police typically take crimes against their own pretty seriously. If you find the line of reasoning that some other mysterious force caused these injuries suspect, I would tend to agree with you.
  - maxerickson 11y ago
    It is possible to break a bone and have the injury remain somewhat stable for some time. I do not offer that as an explanation of what happened, but simply as a third possibility, that he was already injured when taken into custody, but that the severity of the injury was not apparent.
    - msandford 11y ago
      I'm not a doctor but I doubt that your vertebra can be crushed and you can move around as normal. You'd think that a guy who had a broken neck would be trying to get to a hospital, not just hanging out. If we're really going to stretch, it's possible that God reached into the van and snapped his neck despite the police officers doing an incredibly professional job and it's literally nobody's fault; an act of God.
fixxer 11y ago
two wrongs = one right? IF this event leads to better policing, you'll have an argument. Nobody that holds power is thinking "these people deserve more" right now.

by Lancey 11y ago

engi_nerd 11y ago

Ah, I see you are advocating a new system where injustices are answered with further injustices.

MagicWishMonkey 11y ago
A new system? This is how society has been since time immemorial. It is the basis of our capital punishment system. People only point it out as being some sort of new phenomenon when minorities are the ones lashing out.
- engi_nerd 11y ago
  I don't intend to argue, here, in favor of the capital punishment system. What does offend me is your assertion that what I said had ANYTHING to do with race.
Lancey 11y ago
There is no system in place where this can end with justice. Every time that justice has been called for in cases of police brutality against minorities over the past year, only once was that justice served. Murderers are at large, and richer for, injustices that were defended by the system. Those that are supposed to deliver justice consider themselves all-powerful and above the laws they should be upholding. Justice failed Michael Brown and all the others that died at the hands of police officers on a power trip. When justice doesn't work, what is there to turn to?
- msandford 11y ago
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/04/11/thousands-dead-few-prosecuted/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/04/11/th...
- engi_nerd 11y ago
  I don't know what the answers are, but burning the businesses of innocent people who have nothing to do with all of this is not one of those answers.
- tzs 11y ago
  > Justice failed Michael Brown and all the others that died at the hands of police officers on a power trip. How do you conclude that justice failed Michael Brown? The physical evidence pretty overwhelmingly backs the officer's account of their encounter. See the DoJ's report for a discussion of this. If you want a face for people unjustifiably killed by police, why not someone like Eric Garner, who was doing nothing wrong before or during his encounter with the police and so whose killing was clearly unjustified?

forthefuture 11y ago

“Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.

ceejayoz 11y ago
"I contend that the cry of 'black power' is, at bottom, a reaction to the reluctance of white power to make the kind of changes necessary to make justice a reality for the Negro. I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard." ― Martin Luther King Jr.

shoeless 11y ago

That's an awfully big assumption. Was the fact that the police beat this guy and cracked his spine reported in the Baltimore Sun yesterday? There has been no conclusion that that is the case. Those that are rioting are guilty of exactly what they accuse the police of. I believe the mayor called them "thugs".

msandford 11y ago
He was able to run away from the police BEFORE they arrested him. After he was transported to the police station, he was found to be severely injured and the folks at the police station sent him immediately to the hospital. I'm going to use logic here for a minute. There are only two possibilities for how this happened. Either it happened at the hands of the police, or another force. Who is this other force, and how were they able to overpower the police? Did they overpower them in public? You know, like in the video we can see? Or did they forcibly stop a police vehicle, beat the man half to death and then let the police vehicle continue on. And how did this arguably criminal act go unreported and un-pursued by the police? The police typically take crimes against their own pretty seriously. If you find the line of reasoning that some other mysterious force caused these injuries suspect, I would tend to agree with you.
- maxerickson 11y ago
  It is possible to break a bone and have the injury remain somewhat stable for some time. I do not offer that as an explanation of what happened, but simply as a third possibility, that he was already injured when taken into custody, but that the severity of the injury was not apparent.
  - msandford 11y ago
    I'm not a doctor but I doubt that your vertebra can be crushed and you can move around as normal. You'd think that a guy who had a broken neck would be trying to get to a hospital, not just hanging out. If we're really going to stretch, it's possible that God reached into the van and snapped his neck despite the police officers doing an incredibly professional job and it's literally nobody's fault; an act of God.

fixxer 11y ago

two wrongs = one right? IF this event leads to better policing, you'll have an argument. Nobody that holds power is thinking "these people deserve more" right now.