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I can't envision that scenario (I would just not downshift if it required the gas, which in my experience, it doesn't). I do know of a 3-pedal scenario, though

by mod 12y ago

I can't envision that scenario (I would just not downshift if it required the gas, which in my experience, it doesn't). I do know of a 3-pedal scenario, though--on an uphill stop, maybe a traffic light, when another car gets close enough to you that you cannot afford to roll backwards. If you haven't planned for the situation (by using the clutch to maintain position rather than the brake), you'll need to continue braking while you start the car moving forward, to prevent rolling back.

ddingus 12y ago
Actually, using the clutch to maintain position is bad too. It heats the clutch up, which changes it's operation properties and very seriously reduces it's operating life. I was taught to approach target position on hill, disengage gear train, use brake to hold car. Then, quickly switch from brake to clutch while applying gas... That's tough too. So I always used the hand brake, leaving my two feet ready to use clutch and gas. In that case, it's optimal. Apply clutch and gas, until car begins to want to move, release hand brake and continue. I won't own a manual car lacking a hand brake for this cuse case alone. Now, with skill, it's entirely possible to do this with just the three pedals. One needs to release the brake, and while moving the foot to the clutch, engage gas and very rapidly find the engage point of the clutch and then continue to get the car into motion from there. Roll back on this is perhaps an inch or maybe two done well. I can do it, and was made to practice this, but I don't like doing it at all as it requires one to really execute a few things quickly with good precision.
- mod 12y ago
  I gas and brake with the same foot (it sounds like you clutch and brake with the left). I can do the hill thing without rolling back in a car I'm familiar with, if the hill is not overly steep. Basically I hit the engage point while still depressing the brake. If the hill is too steep, you can stall doing this. Anyway, I realize it's bad to use your clutch that way, but it seems better than rolling into a car, in most cases.
  - ddingus 12y ago
    Total risk skill dynamic. I can release the brake and engage clutch quickly enough in a car I have driven to avoid a significant roll. There is always the hand brake too. I never replace clutches either. In most cases replacement is not too expensive, so whatever works right?

by mod 12y ago

ddingus 12y ago

Actually, using the clutch to maintain position is bad too. It heats the clutch up, which changes it's operation properties and very seriously reduces it's operating life. I was taught to approach target position on hill, disengage gear train, use brake to hold car. Then, quickly switch from brake to clutch while applying gas... That's tough too. So I always used the hand brake, leaving my two feet ready to use clutch and gas. In that case, it's optimal. Apply clutch and gas, until car begins to want to move, release hand brake and continue. I won't own a manual car lacking a hand brake for this cuse case alone. Now, with skill, it's entirely possible to do this with just the three pedals. One needs to release the brake, and while moving the foot to the clutch, engage gas and very rapidly find the engage point of the clutch and then continue to get the car into motion from there. Roll back on this is perhaps an inch or maybe two done well. I can do it, and was made to practice this, but I don't like doing it at all as it requires one to really execute a few things quickly with good precision.

mod 12y ago
I gas and brake with the same foot (it sounds like you clutch and brake with the left). I can do the hill thing without rolling back in a car I'm familiar with, if the hill is not overly steep. Basically I hit the engage point while still depressing the brake. If the hill is too steep, you can stall doing this. Anyway, I realize it's bad to use your clutch that way, but it seems better than rolling into a car, in most cases.
- ddingus 12y ago
  Total risk skill dynamic. I can release the brake and engage clutch quickly enough in a car I have driven to avoid a significant roll. There is always the hand brake too. I never replace clutches either. In most cases replacement is not too expensive, so whatever works right?