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“Transgender Surgery Isn't the Solution” (2014)

21 points by notsony 11y ago

notsony 11y ago
Author is Dr. McHugh, former psychiatrist in chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._McHugh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._McHugh TLDR summary from final paragraph: >At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change" is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder. Article might be behind a subscriber wall for some people: > The government and media alliance advancing the transgender cause has gone into overdrive in recent weeks. On May 30, a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services review board ruled that Medicare can pay for the "reassignment" surgery sought by the transgendered—those who say that they don't identify with their biological sex. Earlier last month Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said that he was "open" to lifting a ban on transgender individuals serving in the military. Time magazine, seeing the trend, ran a cover story for its June 9 issue called "The Transgender Tipping Point: America's next civil rights frontier." Yet policy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention. This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken—it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes. The transgendered suffer a disorder of "assumption" like those in other disorders familiar to psychiatrists. With the transgendered, the disordered assumption is that the individual differs from what seems given in nature—namely one's maleness or femaleness. Other kinds of disordered assumptions are held by those who suffer from anorexia and bulimia nervosa, where the assumption that departs from physical reality is the belief by the dangerously thin that they are overweight. With body dysmorphic disorder, an often socially crippling condition, the individual is consumed by the assumption "I'm ugly." These disorders occur in subjects who have come to believe that some of their psycho-social conflicts or problems will be resolved if they can change the way that they appear to others. Such ideas work like ruling passions in their subjects' minds and tend to be accompanied by a solipsistic argument. For the transgendered, this argument holds that one's feeling of "gender" is a conscious, subjective sense that, being in one's mind, cannot be questioned by others. The individual often seeks not just society's tolerance of this "personal truth" but affirmation of it. Here rests the support for "transgender equality," the demands for government payment for medical and surgical treatments, and for access to all sex-based public roles and privileges. With this argument, advocates for the transgendered have persuaded several states—including California, New Jersey and Massachusetts—to pass laws barring psychiatrists, even with parental permission, from striving to restore natural gender feelings to a transgender minor. That government can intrude into parents' rights to seek help in guiding their children indicates how powerful these advocates have become. How to respond? Psychiatrists obviously must challenge the solipsistic concept that what is in the mind cannot be questioned. Disorders of consciousness, after all, represent psychiatry's domain; declaring them off-limits would eliminate the field. Many will recall how, in the 1990s, an accusation of parental sex abuse of children was deemed unquestionable by the solipsists of the "recovered memory" craze. You won't hear it from those championing transgender equality, but controlled and follow-up studies reveal fundamental problems with this movement. When children who reported transgender feelings were tracked without medical or surgical treatment at both Vanderbilt University and London's Portman Clinic, 70%-80% of them spontaneously lost those feelings. Some 25% did have persisting feelings; what differentiates those individuals remains to be discerned. We at Johns Hopkins University—which in the 1960s was the first American medical center to venture into "sex-reassignment surgery"—launched a study in the 1970s comparing the outcomes of transgendered people who had the surgery with the outcomes of those who did not. Most of the surgically treated patients described themselves as "satisfied" by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery. And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a "satisfied" but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs. It now appears that our long-ago decision was a wise one. A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription. There are subgroups of the transgendered, and for none does "reassignment" seem apt. One group includes male prisoners like Pvt. Bradley Manning, the convicted national-security leaker who now wishes to be called Chelsea. Facing long sentences and the rigors of a men's prison, they have an obvious motive for wanting to change their sex and hence their prison. Given that they committed their crimes as males, they should be punished as such; after serving their time, they will be free to reconsider their gender. Another subgroup consists of young men and women susceptible to suggestion from "everything is normal" sex education, amplified by Internet chat groups. These are the transgender subjects most like anorexia nervosa patients: They become persuaded that seeking a drastic physical change will banish their psycho-social problems. "Diversity" counselors in their schools, rather like cult leaders, may encourage these young people to distance themselves from their families and offer advice on rebutting arguments against having transgender surgery. Treatments here must begin with removing the young person from the suggestive environment and offering a counter-message in family therapy. Then there is the subgroup of very young, often prepubescent children who notice distinct sex roles in the culture and, exploring how they fit in, begin imitating the opposite sex. Misguided doctors at medical centers including Boston's Children's Hospital have begun trying to treat this behavior by administering puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous—even though the drugs stunt the children's growth and risk causing sterility. Given that close to 80% of such children would abandon their confusion and grow naturally into adult life if untreated, these medical interventions come close to child abuse. A better way to help these children: with devoted parenting. At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change" is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.
- mrrrgn 11y ago
  This is the sort of bigoted non-sense that people once said -- and sometimes still do say -- about gay folks. Luckily, society is continuing to progress socially. I imagine in another few decades (if you're still alive) your views will be seen as a novelty; a sad reminder of a bygone era -- like Archie Bunker's overt racism.
  - slowmovintarget 11y ago
    You are wrong. He's talking science, measured outcomes, greatly increased risk of suicide with reassignment surgery, and evidence. That this doesn't fit your politics doesn't make it bigoted.
    - mrrrgn 11y ago
      The fact is, transgender people have extremely high rates of suicide before and after any surgeries. Life on the margins of society is not easy, and surgery does nothing to address that problem. Here is a study, using the data from above, which explicitly mentions this: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885#pone-0016885-g001 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.... "It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexuals persons health after sex reassignment; no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism. In other words, the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality." Further, numerous studies exist which disagree with the claims posted above: http://dare.ubvu.vu.nl/bitstream/handle/1871/23255/189321.pdf http://dare.ubvu.vu.nl/bitstream/handle/1871/23255/189321.pd... "The results substantiate previous conclusions that sex reassignment is effective." http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567%2809%2962807-0/abstract?cc=y http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567%2809%2962807-0/abst... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2008.00799.x/abstract;jsessionid=34E20C8EDA68B9C68D9D58CE8C222804.f01t02?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2008.... What is known, is that "conversion therapies" are not useful. It's not possible to modify a person's sense of self, just like it's not possible to modify a person's sexual orientation. Lastly, let's remember that slapping the word "science" on something does not make it correct. Everyone has a political agenda of some sort, and plenty of science has been used to justify homophobia and racism.
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GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
On the other hand, the lived experience of transgendered people.
- ComputerGuru 11y ago
  Which was monitored and documented in the study he references, no?
hownottowrite 11y ago
Dr. McHugh, reached these decisions in 1975 -- as in 40 years ago -- in collaboration with his protégé Dr. Jon Meyer. [0] It may also be illuminating to read about Dr. McHugh's involvement with the Roman Catholic Church and it's panels concerning the abuse of children by priests. [1] >In the early 1990's, Dr. McHugh was among those in psychiatry who argued that memories of sexual abuse recovered by adults were almost always false, a byproduct of poor practice by psychotherapists, who often elicited the memories through hypnosis or other techniques, failed to look for evidence corroborating the abuse and encouraged patients to press charges against the supposed abusers. [0] http://www.ncbcenter.org/document.doc?id=581 http://www.ncbcenter.org/document.doc?id=581 [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/05/us/psychiatrist-says-he-was-surprised-by-furor-over-his-role-on-abuse-panel.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/05/us/psychiatrist-says-he-wa...
- A_COMPUTER 11y ago
  He was right though, therapists were unwittingly teasing false allegations of sexual abuse out of kids. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria
  - DanBC 11y ago
    But was he right in the context of catholic priests? Or was he constrained by his cognitive biases into protecting abusive priests because he couldn't see past (the very real problem of) false memory created by "therapy"?
    - A_COMPUTER 11y ago
      I couldn't say for sure. If he wasn't actively hiding malicious intent, it sounds like he thought the priest cases were pretty straightforward and awful, rather than involving repressed memories and ambiguous. The article lays out the controversy of that better than I ever could, when I finished it I figured I wouldn't be able to tell without digging into what he actually contributed to the panel. There does seem to be a common thread through his work, between fighting freudians and disputing repressed memories and multiple personality and I guess the transgender issue, he seems to emphasize that you can't take for granted that self-reporting is as trustworthy as people have tried to make it. But that's just my interpretation, I may be reading into that.
tacon 11y ago
I remember a fascinating book from 1994, "What You Can Change, and What You Can't"[0], about human plasticity, and how malleable we are in various areas. There is a default assumption in our self-help culture that a majority of our characteristics are open to change if we just apply ourselves, have good character, grit, etc. Alas, that does not appear to be the case. Some things are almost trivial to change, such as phobias. A trained practitioner can typically eliminate phobias in hours. On the other hand, at least from a 1994 perspective, some aspects of sexual orientation never change. Seligman presented a layered model of our sexual orientation, and at the very lowest, hardest to change layer is "what gender do I feel like". I can see there being a huge range of variation on internal feeling, depending on which genes are expressed, and how much, how certain hormones are enabled in the growing fetus, etc. We only have to consider hermaphrodites and the huge array of ways that physical sexual development can go awry and extend that to the invisible variations. I remember reading that book when it came out and thinking that must be about the scariest feeling one can have, to be in an X body but every part of me feels like a Y. [0] http://www.amazon.com/What-You-Change-Cant-Self-Improvement/dp/1400078407 http://www.amazon.com/What-You-Change-Cant-Self-Improvement/...
actuallyalys 11y ago
The literature on sexual reassignment surgery taken as a whole, doesn't support McHugh's claims. First, the Karolinska Institute study [0] doesn't show the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of sexual reassignment surgery. From the discussion section: >It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexuals persons health after sex reassignment; no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism. In other words, the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality. Things might have been even worse without sex reassignment. Additionally, the line about "The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties" is speculation. The study didn't break down participants' mental health year by year--just their mortality risk. Next, the Johns Hopkins study. As far as I can tell, the Johns Hopkins study, while a randomized control trial, surveyed just 50 people [2]. It's not clear that you would get the same results after 30 years of social and medical progress, either. A metastudy further suggests that the Johns Hopkins study is an outlier [3]. Third, the studies of children. I wasn't able to find links to these studies, but going off of his own description gives us enough reason to reject them. The subjects of the study were children, which tells us little about sexual reassignment surgery or hormones, which are treatments only adults and teens get. (And the latter group, somewhat rarely.) His discussion of subgroups of transgender people is too ridiculous to even answer. Suffice it to say, Chelsea Manning wrote to a gender therapist months before contacting WikiLeaks [1] so the idea that her transition is a way to avoid men's prison doesn't meet even basic scrutiny. Finally, established medical organizations agree that sexual reassignment surgery is effective, including the American Psychiatric Association [4] and the American Medical Association [5]. McHugh's article does not represent his chosen studies well, let alone the larger body or literature or the scientific community. [0]: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.... [1]: http://nymag.com/news/features/bradley-manning-2011-7/index4.html http://nymag.com/news/features/bradley-manning-2011-7/index4... [2]: http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=492177 http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=49217... [3]: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.... [4]: http://www.psychiatry.org/file%20library/advocacy%20and%20newsroom/position%20statements/ps2012_transgendercare.pdf http://www.psychiatry.org/file%20library/advocacy%20and%20ne... [5]: http://www.imatyfa.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ama_resolution_122.pdf http://www.imatyfa.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ama_resolu...
omonra 11y ago
Here is the personal account of a person who underwent the operation that confirms Dr. McHugh's views: http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/04/14905/ http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/04/14905/ Apparently this was already known 10 years ago: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mental... "The review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transsexuals by the University of Birmingham's aggressive research intelligence facility (Arif) found no robust scientific evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective."

21 points by notsony 11y ago

Author is Dr. McHugh, former psychiatrist in chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._McHugh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._McHugh TLDR summary from final paragraph: >At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change" is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder. Article might be behind a subscriber wall for some people: > The government and media alliance advancing the transgender cause has gone into overdrive in recent weeks. On May 30, a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services review board ruled that Medicare can pay for the "reassignment" surgery sought by the transgendered—those who say that they don't identify with their biological sex. Earlier last month Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said that he was "open" to lifting a ban on transgender individuals serving in the military. Time magazine, seeing the trend, ran a cover story for its June 9 issue called "The Transgender Tipping Point: America's next civil rights frontier." Yet policy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention. This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken—it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes. The transgendered suffer a disorder of "assumption" like those in other disorders familiar to psychiatrists. With the transgendered, the disordered assumption is that the individual differs from what seems given in nature—namely one's maleness or femaleness. Other kinds of disordered assumptions are held by those who suffer from anorexia and bulimia nervosa, where the assumption that departs from physical reality is the belief by the dangerously thin that they are overweight. With body dysmorphic disorder, an often socially crippling condition, the individual is consumed by the assumption "I'm ugly." These disorders occur in subjects who have come to believe that some of their psycho-social conflicts or problems will be resolved if they can change the way that they appear to others. Such ideas work like ruling passions in their subjects' minds and tend to be accompanied by a solipsistic argument. For the transgendered, this argument holds that one's feeling of "gender" is a conscious, subjective sense that, being in one's mind, cannot be questioned by others. The individual often seeks not just society's tolerance of this "personal truth" but affirmation of it. Here rests the support for "transgender equality," the demands for government payment for medical and surgical treatments, and for access to all sex-based public roles and privileges. With this argument, advocates for the transgendered have persuaded several states—including California, New Jersey and Massachusetts—to pass laws barring psychiatrists, even with parental permission, from striving to restore natural gender feelings to a transgender minor. That government can intrude into parents' rights to seek help in guiding their children indicates how powerful these advocates have become. How to respond? Psychiatrists obviously must challenge the solipsistic concept that what is in the mind cannot be questioned. Disorders of consciousness, after all, represent psychiatry's domain; declaring them off-limits would eliminate the field. Many will recall how, in the 1990s, an accusation of parental sex abuse of children was deemed unquestionable by the solipsists of the "recovered memory" craze. You won't hear it from those championing transgender equality, but controlled and follow-up studies reveal fundamental problems with this movement. When children who reported transgender feelings were tracked without medical or surgical treatment at both Vanderbilt University and London's Portman Clinic, 70%-80% of them spontaneously lost those feelings. Some 25% did have persisting feelings; what differentiates those individuals remains to be discerned. We at Johns Hopkins University—which in the 1960s was the first American medical center to venture into "sex-reassignment surgery"—launched a study in the 1970s comparing the outcomes of transgendered people who had the surgery with the outcomes of those who did not. Most of the surgically treated patients described themselves as "satisfied" by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery. And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a "satisfied" but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs. It now appears that our long-ago decision was a wise one. A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription. There are subgroups of the transgendered, and for none does "reassignment" seem apt. One group includes male prisoners like Pvt. Bradley Manning, the convicted national-security leaker who now wishes to be called Chelsea. Facing long sentences and the rigors of a men's prison, they have an obvious motive for wanting to change their sex and hence their prison. Given that they committed their crimes as males, they should be punished as such; after serving their time, they will be free to reconsider their gender. Another subgroup consists of young men and women susceptible to suggestion from "everything is normal" sex education, amplified by Internet chat groups. These are the transgender subjects most like anorexia nervosa patients: They become persuaded that seeking a drastic physical change will banish their psycho-social problems. "Diversity" counselors in their schools, rather like cult leaders, may encourage these young people to distance themselves from their families and offer advice on rebutting arguments against having transgender surgery. Treatments here must begin with removing the young person from the suggestive environment and offering a counter-message in family therapy. Then there is the subgroup of very young, often prepubescent children who notice distinct sex roles in the culture and, exploring how they fit in, begin imitating the opposite sex. Misguided doctors at medical centers including Boston's Children's Hospital have begun trying to treat this behavior by administering puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous—even though the drugs stunt the children's growth and risk causing sterility. Given that close to 80% of such children would abandon their confusion and grow naturally into adult life if untreated, these medical interventions come close to child abuse. A better way to help these children: with devoted parenting. At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change" is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.

mrrrgn 11y ago
This is the sort of bigoted non-sense that people once said -- and sometimes still do say -- about gay folks. Luckily, society is continuing to progress socially. I imagine in another few decades (if you're still alive) your views will be seen as a novelty; a sad reminder of a bygone era -- like Archie Bunker's overt racism.
- slowmovintarget 11y ago
  You are wrong. He's talking science, measured outcomes, greatly increased risk of suicide with reassignment surgery, and evidence. That this doesn't fit your politics doesn't make it bigoted.
  - mrrrgn 11y ago
    The fact is, transgender people have extremely high rates of suicide before and after any surgeries. Life on the margins of society is not easy, and surgery does nothing to address that problem. Here is a study, using the data from above, which explicitly mentions this: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885#pone-0016885-g001 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.... "It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexuals persons health after sex reassignment; no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism. In other words, the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality." Further, numerous studies exist which disagree with the claims posted above: http://dare.ubvu.vu.nl/bitstream/handle/1871/23255/189321.pdf http://dare.ubvu.vu.nl/bitstream/handle/1871/23255/189321.pd... "The results substantiate previous conclusions that sex reassignment is effective." http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567%2809%2962807-0/abstract?cc=y http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567%2809%2962807-0/abst... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2008.00799.x/abstract;jsessionid=34E20C8EDA68B9C68D9D58CE8C222804.f01t02?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2008.... What is known, is that "conversion therapies" are not useful. It's not possible to modify a person's sense of self, just like it's not possible to modify a person's sexual orientation. Lastly, let's remember that slapping the word "science" on something does not make it correct. Everyone has a political agenda of some sort, and plenty of science has been used to justify homophobia and racism.

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GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago

On the other hand, the lived experience of transgendered people.

ComputerGuru 11y ago
Which was monitored and documented in the study he references, no?

hownottowrite 11y ago

Dr. McHugh, reached these decisions in 1975 -- as in 40 years ago -- in collaboration with his protégé Dr. Jon Meyer. [0] It may also be illuminating to read about Dr. McHugh's involvement with the Roman Catholic Church and it's panels concerning the abuse of children by priests. [1] >In the early 1990's, Dr. McHugh was among those in psychiatry who argued that memories of sexual abuse recovered by adults were almost always false, a byproduct of poor practice by psychotherapists, who often elicited the memories through hypnosis or other techniques, failed to look for evidence corroborating the abuse and encouraged patients to press charges against the supposed abusers. [0] http://www.ncbcenter.org/document.doc?id=581 http://www.ncbcenter.org/document.doc?id=581 [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/05/us/psychiatrist-says-he-was-surprised-by-furor-over-his-role-on-abuse-panel.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/05/us/psychiatrist-says-he-wa...

A_COMPUTER 11y ago
He was right though, therapists were unwittingly teasing false allegations of sexual abuse out of kids. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria
- DanBC 11y ago
  But was he right in the context of catholic priests? Or was he constrained by his cognitive biases into protecting abusive priests because he couldn't see past (the very real problem of) false memory created by "therapy"?
  - A_COMPUTER 11y ago
    I couldn't say for sure. If he wasn't actively hiding malicious intent, it sounds like he thought the priest cases were pretty straightforward and awful, rather than involving repressed memories and ambiguous. The article lays out the controversy of that better than I ever could, when I finished it I figured I wouldn't be able to tell without digging into what he actually contributed to the panel. There does seem to be a common thread through his work, between fighting freudians and disputing repressed memories and multiple personality and I guess the transgender issue, he seems to emphasize that you can't take for granted that self-reporting is as trustworthy as people have tried to make it. But that's just my interpretation, I may be reading into that.

tacon 11y ago

I remember a fascinating book from 1994, "What You Can Change, and What You Can't"[0], about human plasticity, and how malleable we are in various areas. There is a default assumption in our self-help culture that a majority of our characteristics are open to change if we just apply ourselves, have good character, grit, etc. Alas, that does not appear to be the case. Some things are almost trivial to change, such as phobias. A trained practitioner can typically eliminate phobias in hours. On the other hand, at least from a 1994 perspective, some aspects of sexual orientation never change. Seligman presented a layered model of our sexual orientation, and at the very lowest, hardest to change layer is "what gender do I feel like". I can see there being a huge range of variation on internal feeling, depending on which genes are expressed, and how much, how certain hormones are enabled in the growing fetus, etc. We only have to consider hermaphrodites and the huge array of ways that physical sexual development can go awry and extend that to the invisible variations. I remember reading that book when it came out and thinking that must be about the scariest feeling one can have, to be in an X body but every part of me feels like a Y. [0] http://www.amazon.com/What-You-Change-Cant-Self-Improvement/dp/1400078407 http://www.amazon.com/What-You-Change-Cant-Self-Improvement/...

actuallyalys 11y ago

The literature on sexual reassignment surgery taken as a whole, doesn't support McHugh's claims. First, the Karolinska Institute study [0] doesn't show the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of sexual reassignment surgery. From the discussion section: >It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexuals persons health after sex reassignment; no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism. In other words, the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality. Things might have been even worse without sex reassignment. Additionally, the line about "The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties" is speculation. The study didn't break down participants' mental health year by year--just their mortality risk. Next, the Johns Hopkins study. As far as I can tell, the Johns Hopkins study, while a randomized control trial, surveyed just 50 people [2]. It's not clear that you would get the same results after 30 years of social and medical progress, either. A metastudy further suggests that the Johns Hopkins study is an outlier [3]. Third, the studies of children. I wasn't able to find links to these studies, but going off of his own description gives us enough reason to reject them. The subjects of the study were children, which tells us little about sexual reassignment surgery or hormones, which are treatments only adults and teens get. (And the latter group, somewhat rarely.) His discussion of subgroups of transgender people is too ridiculous to even answer. Suffice it to say, Chelsea Manning wrote to a gender therapist months before contacting WikiLeaks [1] so the idea that her transition is a way to avoid men's prison doesn't meet even basic scrutiny. Finally, established medical organizations agree that sexual reassignment surgery is effective, including the American Psychiatric Association [4] and the American Medical Association [5]. McHugh's article does not represent his chosen studies well, let alone the larger body or literature or the scientific community. [0]: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.... [1]: http://nymag.com/news/features/bradley-manning-2011-7/index4.html http://nymag.com/news/features/bradley-manning-2011-7/index4... [2]: http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=492177 http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=49217... [3]: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.... [4]: http://www.psychiatry.org/file%20library/advocacy%20and%20newsroom/position%20statements/ps2012_transgendercare.pdf http://www.psychiatry.org/file%20library/advocacy%20and%20ne... [5]: http://www.imatyfa.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ama_resolution_122.pdf http://www.imatyfa.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ama_resolu...

omonra 11y ago

Here is the personal account of a person who underwent the operation that confirms Dr. McHugh's views: http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/04/14905/ http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/04/14905/ Apparently this was already known 10 years ago: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mental... "The review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transsexuals by the University of Birmingham's aggressive research intelligence facility (Arif) found no robust scientific evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective."