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Who's paying? Simple question. Really convoluted answer. But the end payers are the students. And they want their money's worth. Of course, the worth is deriv

by kefka 12y ago

Who's paying? Simple question. Really convoluted answer. But the end payers are the students. And they want their money's worth. Of course, the worth is derived from their uneducated selves, and "higher educated" peoples know what's best for them. A percent of income for X years seems much fairer way of paying for education. But even that has its flaws. We have yet to see the full blowback from our current way of financing higher ed. My estimate is 20 years. And 2008 will be a walk in the park.

sklogic 12y ago
Of course the current system is awful and it will backfire dramatically. But it's not an excuse for being lazy and stupid.
- kefka 12y ago
  I agree. The system right now is fucked, and we are at least 20 years out before we see the full ramifications. Instead, I imagine something different for a school. If someone fails a course, one has to retake it. This is silly if one is trying to learn. Instead, the answer is to stick with the area of problem until it is understood. But, because profit motives take hold, it is simply easier to fail someone. The better answer for teaching is less material per class, shorter classes (vs 18 weeks), and quick to fail. And aside that should be no punishment to fail. In essence, aside laziness, it is both the teacher and the student who fail when a concept is not learned, but the onus lies purely on the student in our system. I also believe that payment should be hinged upon future earnings, and not a ballooned sum payable in the hopes of a job. A percentage would be fair for X years... Of course I acknowledge that this could cause the liberal arts to falter. Marx and Engels divined this long ago with their analysis of capitalism and supremacy of what we call STEM degrees.
  - sklogic 12y ago
    In the higher education it is not a lecturers job to convey the material to even the slowest of the class. The responsibility is entirely on the students side. Education is selective and there is nothing wrong with it. Self-education is a very important part of it, and the only thing teacher really must consistently do is to help the students to identify their flaws as quickly as possible so they can go and address them. But, yes, everyone must be able to retake any course any number of times, until either passed or pissed off.

by kefka 12y ago

sklogic 12y ago

Of course the current system is awful and it will backfire dramatically. But it's not an excuse for being lazy and stupid.

kefka 12y ago
I agree. The system right now is fucked, and we are at least 20 years out before we see the full ramifications. Instead, I imagine something different for a school. If someone fails a course, one has to retake it. This is silly if one is trying to learn. Instead, the answer is to stick with the area of problem until it is understood. But, because profit motives take hold, it is simply easier to fail someone. The better answer for teaching is less material per class, shorter classes (vs 18 weeks), and quick to fail. And aside that should be no punishment to fail. In essence, aside laziness, it is both the teacher and the student who fail when a concept is not learned, but the onus lies purely on the student in our system. I also believe that payment should be hinged upon future earnings, and not a ballooned sum payable in the hopes of a job. A percentage would be fair for X years... Of course I acknowledge that this could cause the liberal arts to falter. Marx and Engels divined this long ago with their analysis of capitalism and supremacy of what we call STEM degrees.
- sklogic 12y ago
  In the higher education it is not a lecturers job to convey the material to even the slowest of the class. The responsibility is entirely on the students side. Education is selective and there is nothing wrong with it. Self-education is a very important part of it, and the only thing teacher really must consistently do is to help the students to identify their flaws as quickly as possible so they can go and address them. But, yes, everyone must be able to retake any course any number of times, until either passed or pissed off.