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I think it's worth reflecting that not every improvement initiative (in this case: see DevOps) across the whole world is moving as one large entity. The ending

by sgoings 11y ago

I think it's worth reflecting that not every improvement initiative (in this case: see DevOps) across the whole world is moving as one large entity. The ending line: "Otherwise in my opinion it feels more like we’re treading water and not making the advancements we could be making." sounds like an existential fallacy to me - it has been my experience that although the "DevOps vision" has not changed significantly, the actual practices and evangelism of DevOps have been infiltrating and transforming the way organizations think about software engineering.

sanderjd 11y ago
Basically my thoughts: 5 years is not a very long time! It isn't treading water, it's taking time to mature and penetrate. It's actually taking root surprisingly quickly, and only looks slow from an early-adopter's perspective. If those talks from 2010 and 2011 were given to substantially the exact same audience as that talk from 2014, then yeah, maybe I see the point that things are just being re-hashed with little progress, but I doubt that's the case. Giving the same exact talks to an ever-expanding audience over 5 years is already a win.