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While it is certainly informal to say "guys," I have heard both men and women use it in a definitely gender-neutral sense for my entire life, including in workp
by pekk 12y ago
While it is certainly informal to say "guys," I have heard both men and women use it in a definitely gender-neutral sense for my entire life, including in workplaces, and informality is not impolite in an informal setting like an IRC channel. I wasn't sure if I was crazy here so I asked a couple of women I know and they were as surprised as I was. By contrast, nobody uses the word "gals" - it sounds incredibly awkward and lame. Perhaps the use of the word "guys" is regional, like "y'all" (sadly, it seems like English does not have any universally established pronoun for this). It's sad that you are proud of treating people who are new to Rust by permanently excluding people and labeling them as assholes for using idioms which are considered perfectly courteous and gender-neutral in many places. Given that, banning people just for using the word "guys" smacks of finding excuses to harass and ban people more than offering a welcoming community. If this is "what usually happens in IRC" then that might be a clue that there are dialect differences you aren't recognizing?
Insofar as you are representing the Rust community via HN, you've given an overwhelming impression that the Rust community is an unpleasant place where "outsiders" are totally unwelcome. As someone who considered adopting Rust prior to reading your post, that's a problem because with such an immature language I would eventually have to interact with that community and then I would apparently have to deal with people randomly nitpicking which dialect of English I learned and calling me an asshole. No thanks, life is too short.
- Ygg2 12y agoI'm sorry I gave that impressions, but I'm not really member of Rust community. I'm just a guy writing Rust code and occasionally checking out the channel. I'm much more Java than Rust guy :P Also you missed the point of that exchange, you are excluded from the Rust community, only if you act against Code of Conduct actively. The titular bad example was given a warning, he disregarded it several times and continued to behave against community wishes. What do you expect happens once you act against what other members of the club urge you not to do? A single mistake/slip up isn't a problem. Repeated offense and disregard of CoC is. Usually the custom is to greet each other with "Hi Rustaceans". It's gender neutral and has no negative connotation. If this gives you impression of a treehouse filled with cultist, who am I to judge.