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I don't think our government is quite cognizant of the post-national undercurrent that is especially prevalent in the tech industry even if that community insis

by wahsd 11y ago

I don't think our government is quite cognizant of the post-national undercurrent that is especially prevalent in the tech industry even if that community insists on clustering in specific places. I get a sense that especially in DC and the status quo industries, there is a feeling that we still live in some post-WWII or Cold War fervent nationalistic society. It seems to me that everyone that knows, can do, or is aware has separated themselves from those notions of central nation state. I don't know if we are permanently moving past the Westphalian nations state, but there does seem to be quite a fluctuation going on. Due to our own government's actions and serious, deep breaches of trust, our own government is becoming a threat to a whole sector of society and the economy. I thin the question is how the government will react if it gets nothing but the cold shoulder that it should due to its own behaviors. Will it change its ways and learn how to deal with a new reality, a new world; or will it lash out and take an aggressive approach to infiltrate, disrupt, sabotage, and co-opt the tech community and graduates for its deceptive and rather nefarious antiquated and rather fascist intentions? I think history projects that the latter is far more likely than the former without significant civic intervention, but we will see.

cryoshon 11y ago
I agree that a lot of people are picking up on the post-national trend, and I think that it's a good thing for sure. The less tribalism we have, the more we can cooperate for the public good. I'd say that the government isn't aware of the postnationalist movement because it's really quite a small group of people overall, and there aren't really any actionable goals or organizational structures that these people have rallied around. If there were post-nationalist groups getting into political advocacy etc, I assume we'd see a strong pushback and propaganda-based reiteration of the good old "American Values" to rile up the proliteriat. In general, the government doesn't like getting the cold shoulder, and treats its behaviors as always justified. I'd put my money on aggression. After all, they already have JTRIG groups whose purpose is to infiltrate and disrupt political groups.
Nursie 11y ago
Post-nationalist may be a bit of a strong term, or an overstatement, but I think you're on the right track. People are more connected to each other across the world than before. The government is not the only body with multinational links and multinational information coming is as part of everyday life. The 'othering' of people in other countries no longer so prominent. We care a little less about our own country compared to the wider world. And yes, the government has totally, thoroughly earned our distrust and disrespect in this field. Almost any new security work assumes not just hackers as its threat model, but pervasive network monitoring and compromised service-providers at every level. New security systems, created by freedom-minded individuals - not terrorists, not criminals - actually count the government as a direct threat. This is quite a big thing...

by wahsd 11y ago

cryoshon 11y ago

I agree that a lot of people are picking up on the post-national trend, and I think that it's a good thing for sure. The less tribalism we have, the more we can cooperate for the public good. I'd say that the government isn't aware of the postnationalist movement because it's really quite a small group of people overall, and there aren't really any actionable goals or organizational structures that these people have rallied around. If there were post-nationalist groups getting into political advocacy etc, I assume we'd see a strong pushback and propaganda-based reiteration of the good old "American Values" to rile up the proliteriat. In general, the government doesn't like getting the cold shoulder, and treats its behaviors as always justified. I'd put my money on aggression. After all, they already have JTRIG groups whose purpose is to infiltrate and disrupt political groups.

Nursie 11y ago

Post-nationalist may be a bit of a strong term, or an overstatement, but I think you're on the right track. People are more connected to each other across the world than before. The government is not the only body with multinational links and multinational information coming is as part of everyday life. The 'othering' of people in other countries no longer so prominent. We care a little less about our own country compared to the wider world. And yes, the government has totally, thoroughly earned our distrust and disrespect in this field. Almost any new security work assumes not just hackers as its threat model, but pervasive network monitoring and compromised service-providers at every level. New security systems, created by freedom-minded individuals - not terrorists, not criminals - actually count the government as a direct threat. This is quite a big thing...