5 ms·

Police body cameras dont, an wont matter as long as old corrupt judges LET GO murderers recorded killing people. I mean what does it take to put a cop in priso

by rasz_pl 12y ago

Police body cameras dont, an wont matter as long as old corrupt judges LET GO murderers recorded killing people. I mean what does it take to put a cop in prison when a video of him strangling someone to death is not enough?

JupiterMoon 12y ago
This.
- JupiterMoon 12y ago
  It was a homicide on camera. No one was charged. Hence why bother filming the police? They are already happy to kill people on camera. Filming it changes nothing.
Shivetya 12y ago
Welcome to the world the public employee unions have created; where once your employed its damn near impossible to fire you, let alone get you charged with a crime. A great article on how hard it is to fire a cop because of the rules police unions have managed to get into place. http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/19/how-special-rights-for-law-enforcement-m http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/19/how-special-rights-for...
- KMag 12y ago
  I agree that public servant unions generally have too much power. However, I'd like to hear more about your theory about how police unions have leverage over judges. Firing someone is much different from not throwing out a court case against them. I can see how police unions have a lot of leverage over the executive branch, but I'm not sure how they extend that leverage over the judicial branch.
  - Shivetya 12y ago
    Well lets return to the Atlantic for an article on how. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/how-police-unions-keep-abusive-cops-on-the-street/383258/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/how-poli... You have to be accused of a crime before a Judge gets involved. That was the whole point I was making. The unions do their best to keep the officer from ever being charged. Got to love the down votes on my previous post, ignorance is of the power of these unions are why we have the problems in the police we do today. Even politicians run scared as some city unions have put up billboards next to homes of politicians who dare challenge them.
    - fnordfnordfnord 12y ago
      How does the union have any control over who gets charged? They don't other than through the fact that the union reps are also police officers and can exert influence over one another. It would be far better if a completely independent quasi-citizen/law enforcement organization were required to review use of force by police, and empowered to charge them. Also, having local DA's prosecute cops looks to be a disaster, as well as having the normal grand jury in the loop. Maybe a second grand jury is needed, but made up of poor people instead. Unions may be far from perfect but your arguments aren't convincing or even particularly relevant. Crying about the downvotes just makes me want to use mine. Maybe the downvotes are because your tone is too trollish.
JshWright 12y ago
I assume you're talking about Eric Garner. He was not strangled to death. He died because he was handcuffed with his hands behind his back, and he was laid prone on the ground. It is well known that this makes it very difficult for most people (and _especially_ overweight/obese people) to breath. This is explicitly against NYPD protocol, and in my opinion, everyone on that scene (EMS included) should have been charged in his death.

by rasz_pl 12y ago

JupiterMoon 12y ago

This.

JupiterMoon 12y ago
It was a homicide on camera. No one was charged. Hence why bother filming the police? They are already happy to kill people on camera. Filming it changes nothing.

Shivetya 12y ago

Welcome to the world the public employee unions have created; where once your employed its damn near impossible to fire you, let alone get you charged with a crime. A great article on how hard it is to fire a cop because of the rules police unions have managed to get into place. http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/19/how-special-rights-for-law-enforcement-m http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/19/how-special-rights-for...

KMag 12y ago
I agree that public servant unions generally have too much power. However, I'd like to hear more about your theory about how police unions have leverage over judges. Firing someone is much different from not throwing out a court case against them. I can see how police unions have a lot of leverage over the executive branch, but I'm not sure how they extend that leverage over the judicial branch.
- Shivetya 12y ago
  Well lets return to the Atlantic for an article on how. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/how-police-unions-keep-abusive-cops-on-the-street/383258/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/how-poli... You have to be accused of a crime before a Judge gets involved. That was the whole point I was making. The unions do their best to keep the officer from ever being charged. Got to love the down votes on my previous post, ignorance is of the power of these unions are why we have the problems in the police we do today. Even politicians run scared as some city unions have put up billboards next to homes of politicians who dare challenge them.
  - fnordfnordfnord 12y ago
    How does the union have any control over who gets charged? They don't other than through the fact that the union reps are also police officers and can exert influence over one another. It would be far better if a completely independent quasi-citizen/law enforcement organization were required to review use of force by police, and empowered to charge them. Also, having local DA's prosecute cops looks to be a disaster, as well as having the normal grand jury in the loop. Maybe a second grand jury is needed, but made up of poor people instead. Unions may be far from perfect but your arguments aren't convincing or even particularly relevant. Crying about the downvotes just makes me want to use mine. Maybe the downvotes are because your tone is too trollish.

JshWright 12y ago

I assume you're talking about Eric Garner. He was not strangled to death. He died because he was handcuffed with his hands behind his back, and he was laid prone on the ground. It is well known that this makes it very difficult for most people (and _especially_ overweight/obese people) to breath. This is explicitly against NYPD protocol, and in my opinion, everyone on that scene (EMS included) should have been charged in his death.