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'Delaying the issue' is a great way to put it. Social mobility is a distraction. It's not a real solution. It's political language; it assumes the underlying s

'Delaying the issue' is a great way to put it. Social mobility is a distraction. It's not a real solution. It's political language; it assumes the underlying system. A system that cycles people around from being poor to rich based on merit is not a good system, because merit is essentially arbitrary (beyond deliberate antisocial behaviour). I have a talent, my friend does not, I get to live the good life, he gets a lifetime of insecure rental accomodation or homelessness. (True story.) It just does not work. It's based on an outdated idea of work ethic, it assumes people have more control over their faculties than they actually do. I can live with a system that has people competing for sports cars, yachts and jets. Those things don't matter. But having people fight to put a roof over their head is just nonsensical in wealthy countries like the UK/USA. It's a holdover from the Industrial Revolution and the wealthy's desire to force people to labour.

NTDF9 12y ago
It's the same old story again. A nobility is born and serfdom becomes the norm. Here's the kicker! Everyone thinks that the current form of capitalism is good. Right from childhood (at least in the US) the American system of capitalism is drilled into children's minds as the best thing there can be (perhaps even God's chosen system of similar bullcrap)
- mikerichards 12y ago
  Right from childhood (at least in the US) the American system of capitalism is drilled into children's minds as the best thing there can be (perhaps even God's chosen system of similar bullcrap) And then when they get to college, they're indoctrinated into the exact opposite ideology by marxist/socialist professors into your line of thinking.
  - NTDF9 12y ago
    Because we soon realize that real life is not what it was all made up to be in textbooks and propaganda based literature. Personally, I want reality to be presented the way it is instead of constant self-glorification.
mikerichards 12y ago
Interesting that you bring up political language. "Income inequality gaps" is political language. Who cares if some guy is rich and some other guy has much, much, much less, but still has a car, small house, enough food, etc..? People with political system motives care about that, and not really helping desperate people. A system that cycles people around from being poor to rich based on merit is not a good system, because merit is essentially arbitrary (beyond deliberate antisocial behaviour). Essentially, absolutely, a luck of the cards of who you know or who you gamed to think you have merit? Pretty cynical with obvious ideological connotations..especially the anti-social behavior part. But having people fight to put a roof over their head is just nonsensical in wealthy countries like the UK/USA. You use the word "fight". Fight would presume that there's some motivation involved. Many people increasingly don't have motivation and are copping out with "disability". It's a holdover from the Industrial Revolution and the wealthy's desire to force people to labour. Wealthy people tend to supply the jobs, but they don't have the guns to force people to do anything. The government has the guns to force people.
- davidgerard 12y ago
  You forgot to blame cultural Marxism as well.

NTDF9 12y ago

It's the same old story again. A nobility is born and serfdom becomes the norm. Here's the kicker! Everyone thinks that the current form of capitalism is good. Right from childhood (at least in the US) the American system of capitalism is drilled into children's minds as the best thing there can be (perhaps even God's chosen system of similar bullcrap)

mikerichards 12y ago
Right from childhood (at least in the US) the American system of capitalism is drilled into children's minds as the best thing there can be (perhaps even God's chosen system of similar bullcrap) And then when they get to college, they're indoctrinated into the exact opposite ideology by marxist/socialist professors into your line of thinking.
- NTDF9 12y ago
  Because we soon realize that real life is not what it was all made up to be in textbooks and propaganda based literature. Personally, I want reality to be presented the way it is instead of constant self-glorification.

mikerichards 12y ago

Interesting that you bring up political language. "Income inequality gaps" is political language. Who cares if some guy is rich and some other guy has much, much, much less, but still has a car, small house, enough food, etc..? People with political system motives care about that, and not really helping desperate people. A system that cycles people around from being poor to rich based on merit is not a good system, because merit is essentially arbitrary (beyond deliberate antisocial behaviour). Essentially, absolutely, a luck of the cards of who you know or who you gamed to think you have merit? Pretty cynical with obvious ideological connotations..especially the anti-social behavior part. But having people fight to put a roof over their head is just nonsensical in wealthy countries like the UK/USA. You use the word "fight". Fight would presume that there's some motivation involved. Many people increasingly don't have motivation and are copping out with "disability". It's a holdover from the Industrial Revolution and the wealthy's desire to force people to labour. Wealthy people tend to supply the jobs, but they don't have the guns to force people to do anything. The government has the guns to force people.

davidgerard 12y ago
You forgot to blame cultural Marxism as well.