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>"I know it sounds unpopular but this is the way people get promoted vs fired, kind of obvious, but many people still think that if "They do the right thing" th

>"I know it sounds unpopular but this is the way people get promoted vs fired, kind of obvious, but many people still think that if "They do the right thing" that they are clear" We need more people to prioritize "doing the right thing" over "getting promoted", not fewer.

def_illiterate 11y ago
Some of us think the system can't be fixed--we just want ours. And that's okay.
- carc 11y ago
  Which is what perpetuates these types of things to continue to happen.
mavdi 11y ago
Shame some of us are more concerned with providing a living for our families than winning an ideological war right?
eranation 11y ago
let me put it this way, I was doing the "doing the right thing" approach and it hurt me personally, yet I still try to do the right thing, but not via direct criticism, there is an art of how to convey improvement suggestions and feedback to your boss, in tl;dr it is say something good, say constructive criticism, end with something good, and do it all in private. I never encountered a criminal violation though, so I don't know what I would do, if I would I think I might just tipped HR anonymously and if my boss would like to take me down with him / her, I'll just deny frivolously. Luckily I have a great boss and a great company, but I'm telling you, even the worst bosses and companies still want to be good ones, and if you choose how to give feedback in a way that will not sound too critic, you will win.
- wpietri 11y ago
  Yeah, I second that. I used to think it was important to "tell the truth" by which I meant saying the things I thought were important to say. In the end, I recognized that was more about me and my feelings than anything. Now my goal in bringing up some unpleasant but important thing is to make a difference. If I'm going to make a difference, saying the truth isn't the important thing. It's getting somebody to listen to the truth. That is definitely an art.
- seivan 11y ago
  Doing the right day made me code 10 hour days for two months just to keep up. The trick is to figure out if its worth it or not, that usually boils down to the the employer. It wasn't worth it.

def_illiterate 11y ago

Some of us think the system can't be fixed--we just want ours. And that's okay.

carc 11y ago
Which is what perpetuates these types of things to continue to happen.

mavdi 11y ago

Shame some of us are more concerned with providing a living for our families than winning an ideological war right?

eranation 11y ago

let me put it this way, I was doing the "doing the right thing" approach and it hurt me personally, yet I still try to do the right thing, but not via direct criticism, there is an art of how to convey improvement suggestions and feedback to your boss, in tl;dr it is say something good, say constructive criticism, end with something good, and do it all in private. I never encountered a criminal violation though, so I don't know what I would do, if I would I think I might just tipped HR anonymously and if my boss would like to take me down with him / her, I'll just deny frivolously. Luckily I have a great boss and a great company, but I'm telling you, even the worst bosses and companies still want to be good ones, and if you choose how to give feedback in a way that will not sound too critic, you will win.

wpietri 11y ago
Yeah, I second that. I used to think it was important to "tell the truth" by which I meant saying the things I thought were important to say. In the end, I recognized that was more about me and my feelings than anything. Now my goal in bringing up some unpleasant but important thing is to make a difference. If I'm going to make a difference, saying the truth isn't the important thing. It's getting somebody to listen to the truth. That is definitely an art.
seivan 11y ago
Doing the right day made me code 10 hour days for two months just to keep up. The trick is to figure out if its worth it or not, that usually boils down to the the employer. It wasn't worth it.