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Because there was a time when services were deployed in a discriminatory manner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

by jauer 11y ago

Because there was a time when services were deployed in a discriminatory manner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining So because of historical discrimination it's common for government to require providers to serve everyone in a area instead of just the profitable areas (e.g. people that would buy $100 IP+TV packages instead of basic 5Mbps internet).

rayiner 11y ago
I think its more of a matter of class-warfare politics. Cities would rather have nobody have fiber than just the people who could afford it.
- throwaway9324 11y ago
  If there's anything that is class-warfare it's not adopting the very proven model of municipality networks. Of course government doing something good doesn't sit right with 'those who can afford'.
  - rayiner 11y ago
    Proven? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/25/golden-hammer-chattanooga-chokes-too-much-fiber/?page=all http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/25/golden-hamme... Chatanooga's system cost 5-8k per subscriber household for fiber and smart grid. It has resulted in little to none of the projected economic growth. And the revenue stream in no way makes up for the capital investment. The market values the NPV of a Comcast customer at only $2,500, and cable customers pay quite a bit more than $70 per month.
kirk21 11y ago
If you take this to the extreme, then Tesla should not be allowed to only sell very expensive cars... New technology often is adopted by the wealthy, the price goes down and then everyone can be served. The installation costs might go down over time by serving the ppl that are willing to pay so they can serve the others as well. This regulation is counterproductive, the result is that no one gets fiber.
- cowsandmilk 11y ago
  You're arguing that regulations against redlining would mean Tesla cannot just sell expensive cars. Tesla does not discriminate based on your address. They discriminate based on income. The problem with discrimination based on neighborhoods is that historically, it has not been income-based, despite claims by businesses that their only criteria was income[1]. [1] http://powerreporting.com/color/ http://powerreporting.com/color/

by jauer 11y ago

rayiner 11y ago

I think its more of a matter of class-warfare politics. Cities would rather have nobody have fiber than just the people who could afford it.

throwaway9324 11y ago
If there's anything that is class-warfare it's not adopting the very proven model of municipality networks. Of course government doing something good doesn't sit right with 'those who can afford'.
- rayiner 11y ago
  Proven? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/25/golden-hammer-chattanooga-chokes-too-much-fiber/?page=all http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/25/golden-hamme... Chatanooga's system cost 5-8k per subscriber household for fiber and smart grid. It has resulted in little to none of the projected economic growth. And the revenue stream in no way makes up for the capital investment. The market values the NPV of a Comcast customer at only $2,500, and cable customers pay quite a bit more than $70 per month.

kirk21 11y ago

If you take this to the extreme, then Tesla should not be allowed to only sell very expensive cars... New technology often is adopted by the wealthy, the price goes down and then everyone can be served. The installation costs might go down over time by serving the ppl that are willing to pay so they can serve the others as well. This regulation is counterproductive, the result is that no one gets fiber.

cowsandmilk 11y ago
You're arguing that regulations against redlining would mean Tesla cannot just sell expensive cars. Tesla does not discriminate based on your address. They discriminate based on income. The problem with discrimination based on neighborhoods is that historically, it has not been income-based, despite claims by businesses that their only criteria was income[1]. [1] http://powerreporting.com/color/ http://powerreporting.com/color/