> I often think there's really two Dells, the "cheap at all costs" consumer end and the business/"prosumer" end When you install Windows drivers, Thinkpads say

> I often think there's really two Dells, the "cheap at all costs" consumer end and the business/"prosumer" end When you install Windows drivers, Thinkpads say something about Lenovo Japan, while others (like Ideapads) say Lenovo Shenzhen. HP Elitebooks are well made while consumer HPs are really poorly designed/constructed.