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ConductR: Typesafe’s move in lightweight containers and distributed clusters

19 points by kushti 12y ago

eropple 12y ago
I like the some of the ideas in ConductR, but reading about this stuff is a little concerning. It seems like a standalone clusterization solution, despite their claims about "oh, it works with your current stuff"--well, no, my current stuff is Mesos, and it can do everything ConductR does and doesn't need you to "own my cloud" or whatever is behind this. (I don't want or need Mesosphere "owning my cloud", either, but I also don't have to deal with them and Mesos itself is independent enough to work with.) As a platform/infrastructure architect, I'm worried by the co-opting of generally cooperative software tools around deployment and system management by would-be, venture-backed conquerors. None of these companies--ConductR, Docker, CoreOS, Mesosphere, Atlas--feel like they're about doing the right thing for the consumer (the consuming enterprise), it's about planting one's flag and getting one's pound of flesh out of them. You must buy into our universe, so that you will never leave. Cooperation is a better long-term solution than conquest. Conquerors eventually lose, but they hurt a lot of people in the process. I have this terrible feeling that we're fucking all this up, and I don't know how to fix it.
- jacques_chester 12y ago
  An alternative you might consider is Cloud Foundry. Cloud Foundry is a full-featured PaaS for which the IP belongs to a foundation. Votes are given out according to contributions, so currently Pivotal and IBM are the leaders on it. The current board has representatives from Pivotal, IBM, EMC, HP, VMWare, Intel, SAP, ActiveState and Swisscom. The Cloud Foundry Foundation's operations and admin are handled by the Linux Foundation, funded by 40-something corporate members. You can play with a full Cloud Foundry system by signing up to Pivotal Web Services[1] or IBM BlueMix[2]. Or you can play with the developer-friendly core component, Lattice[3]. Disclaimer: I work for Pivotal Labs and for a while I worked on secondment to the CF Buildpacks team. I'm a one-eyed fanboy, so YMMV. [1] http://run.pivotal.io/ http://run.pivotal.io/ [2] https://console.ng.bluemix.net/ https://console.ng.bluemix.net/ [3] http://lattice.cf http://lattice.cf
  - eropple 12y ago
    Huh, so this is a new one on me. I'm not a big fan of PaaS solutions (IaaS is fine, though), but looking at this--you know, Lattice itself seems really cool. It seems like a good compromise between Mesos's (unnecessary, for the 90% case) complexity and flexibility and freedom. I think I'll be giving this a solid look. Thank you for the pointer. :)
    - jacques_chester 12y ago
      Any time. We're really good at explaining to F1000s why they need to switch to using a PaaS. But we suck at making ordinary devs aware of all the cool stuff we're up to. I like the work that my peers do, so I take every opportunity to spruik it.
  - mark_l_watson 12y ago
    I agree that a standard system like Cloud Foundry makes our lives easier. I had used CF several years ago and then last fall using IBM Bluemix on a customer project had no learning curve. I very much like Azure, Google Cloud Services, Heroku, AWS, etc., but since they don't use a standard set up it makes it more difficult to switch providers.

19 points by kushti 12y ago

I like the some of the ideas in ConductR, but reading about this stuff is a little concerning. It seems like a standalone clusterization solution, despite their claims about "oh, it works with your current stuff"--well, no, my current stuff is Mesos, and it can do everything ConductR does and doesn't need you to "own my cloud" or whatever is behind this. (I don't want or need Mesosphere "owning my cloud", either, but I also don't have to deal with them and Mesos itself is independent enough to work with.) As a platform/infrastructure architect, I'm worried by the co-opting of generally cooperative software tools around deployment and system management by would-be, venture-backed conquerors. None of these companies--ConductR, Docker, CoreOS, Mesosphere, Atlas--feel like they're about doing the right thing for the consumer (the consuming enterprise), it's about planting one's flag and getting one's pound of flesh out of them. You must buy into our universe, so that you will never leave. Cooperation is a better long-term solution than conquest. Conquerors eventually lose, but they hurt a lot of people in the process. I have this terrible feeling that we're fucking all this up, and I don't know how to fix it.

jacques_chester 12y ago
An alternative you might consider is Cloud Foundry. Cloud Foundry is a full-featured PaaS for which the IP belongs to a foundation. Votes are given out according to contributions, so currently Pivotal and IBM are the leaders on it. The current board has representatives from Pivotal, IBM, EMC, HP, VMWare, Intel, SAP, ActiveState and Swisscom. The Cloud Foundry Foundation's operations and admin are handled by the Linux Foundation, funded by 40-something corporate members. You can play with a full Cloud Foundry system by signing up to Pivotal Web Services[1] or IBM BlueMix[2]. Or you can play with the developer-friendly core component, Lattice[3]. Disclaimer: I work for Pivotal Labs and for a while I worked on secondment to the CF Buildpacks team. I'm a one-eyed fanboy, so YMMV. [1] http://run.pivotal.io/ http://run.pivotal.io/ [2] https://console.ng.bluemix.net/ https://console.ng.bluemix.net/ [3] http://lattice.cf http://lattice.cf
- eropple 12y ago
  Huh, so this is a new one on me. I'm not a big fan of PaaS solutions (IaaS is fine, though), but looking at this--you know, Lattice itself seems really cool. It seems like a good compromise between Mesos's (unnecessary, for the 90% case) complexity and flexibility and freedom. I think I'll be giving this a solid look. Thank you for the pointer. :)
  - jacques_chester 12y ago
    Any time. We're really good at explaining to F1000s why they need to switch to using a PaaS. But we suck at making ordinary devs aware of all the cool stuff we're up to. I like the work that my peers do, so I take every opportunity to spruik it.
- mark_l_watson 12y ago
  I agree that a standard system like Cloud Foundry makes our lives easier. I had used CF several years ago and then last fall using IBM Bluemix on a customer project had no learning curve. I very much like Azure, Google Cloud Services, Heroku, AWS, etc., but since they don't use a standard set up it makes it more difficult to switch providers.